Comments on: The Limits of Responsibility: Revisiting Eichmann http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:57:04 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-936 Anonymous Sat, 05 May 2007 05:34:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-936 Interesting stuff-had to laugh at the tuning fork/ murder bit. Interesting stuff-had to laugh at the tuning fork/ murder bit.

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By: Sololeum http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-935 Sololeum Wed, 02 May 2007 00:13:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-935 You can get overly intelectual about responsibility. We all consum thefore are part of the problem - you may not blame the less inteligent or you blame the Ph.D's but what does it matter. <br/>There are a few logical steps that show we must all adopt a different lifestyle - say like the Old Order Amish of a few decades ago - <br/><br/>1. Our resource deposits take more energy now to process than previously.<br/>2. We are about to enter energy decline.<br/>3. We have not started to emark upon a renewable economy.<br/>4. Once decline starts to bite we will be struggling to keep up with existing demand without spending huge amounts of energy on constructing the low EROEI alternatives.<br/>5. We are experiencing ever growing problems due to climate change.<br/>6. Energy shortages and Global Warming caused by our technologies that rely on fossil fuels.<br/>7. With reference to 4 above and the current state of techology, there are no real alteratives for us to retain our western lifestyle.<br/>Therefore it is only logical to enter voluntarily into a simple lifestyle before it is thurst upon us.<br/><br/>What is really needed is a mass movement to bring this state about.<br/><br/>Just image another 15 million small scale Amishish farmers in the USA alone and 1 million here in Australia.<br/><br/>Keep up the good work,<br/><br/>Cheers, You can get overly intelectual about responsibility. We all consum thefore are part of the problem - you may not blame the less inteligent or you blame the Ph.D’s but what does it matter.
There are a few logical steps that show we must all adopt a different lifestyle - say like the Old Order Amish of a few decades ago -

1. Our resource deposits take more energy now to process than previously.
2. We are about to enter energy decline.
3. We have not started to emark upon a renewable economy.
4. Once decline starts to bite we will be struggling to keep up with existing demand without spending huge amounts of energy on constructing the low EROEI alternatives.
5. We are experiencing ever growing problems due to climate change.
6. Energy shortages and Global Warming caused by our technologies that rely on fossil fuels.
7. With reference to 4 above and the current state of techology, there are no real alteratives for us to retain our western lifestyle.
Therefore it is only logical to enter voluntarily into a simple lifestyle before it is thurst upon us.

What is really needed is a mass movement to bring this state about.

Just image another 15 million small scale Amishish farmers in the USA alone and 1 million here in Australia.

Keep up the good work,

Cheers,

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-934 Anonymous Tue, 01 May 2007 19:17:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-934 On the limits of (ir-?)responsible language, please see this:<br/><br/>http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/04/30/4141314-sun.html<br/><br/>Then this:<br/><br/>http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/01.05.2007b<br/><br/>Probably only few of you know of the (almost amazing to me, 25 years a Canadian Green) increase in Green political support in Canada. Recent polls have the national Greens at 13% and rising!<br/><br/>In large part this is due to the calibre & persona of the party leader, finally attracting serious "mainstream media" focus. She has a penchant for speaking straight from the heart, with all the attendant possible political difficulties of unguardedness. Of course, she was referring to comments of someone else (himself partly irresponsible on other matters) in the links above. But I offer this as comment on care of expression, esp. for talented people like Sharon.<br/><br/>There is a great deal indeed to share from sources from (my own) Jewish tradition on such topics.<br/>This has been all too little explored. Perhaps I should find time to share with you, promising as your approach appears to be. On the limits of (ir-?)responsible language, please see this:

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/04/30/4141314-sun.html

Then this:

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/01.05.2007b

Probably only few of you know of the (almost amazing to me, 25 years a Canadian Green) increase in Green political support in Canada. Recent polls have the national Greens at 13% and rising!

In large part this is due to the calibre & persona of the party leader, finally attracting serious “mainstream media” focus. She has a penchant for speaking straight from the heart, with all the attendant possible political difficulties of unguardedness. Of course, she was referring to comments of someone else (himself partly irresponsible on other matters) in the links above. But I offer this as comment on care of expression, esp. for talented people like Sharon.

There is a great deal indeed to share from sources from (my own) Jewish tradition on such topics.
This has been all too little explored. Perhaps I should find time to share with you, promising as your approach appears to be.

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-933 Anonymous Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:09:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-933 In some ways, acknowledging my guilt or responsibility or whatever we call it, makes it easier. For me to say, yes, I know that what I am doing is wrong, and I will accept that and try to do less wrong is easier and constantly pretending to myself and other that it's all just fine.<br/><br/>This Sunday, while my church had a meeting over the fact we can't pretend we don't have a budget gap because there is no long any money lying around to transfer from fund to fun. (BTY, a lot of blaime was heaped on the cost of fuels, but no one was willing to address the idea of insulating the church.) My dd and their friends were making coloring kits -- taking unused pages of old coloring books and making little bags of gently used crayons to go with them for the children waiting for their meals at the soup kitchen to use. It's a lovely idea. I'm very proud of my dd coming up with the idea when were at the soup kitchen and she saw a overwhemed mother slap her child. But it begs the question of why people are using up their own coloring books and crayons, and the fact the soup kitchen wanted everying in clear plastic bags (read zip locks) means that for every child who isn't getting clipped around the ear for not siting still, another child is paying the price. (I can not get the soup kitchen to collect used zip locks from their patrons, even though they hand out all sort of things in them.)<br/><br/>I can only say, I think we are going less harm buying zip locks that spending the same amount of money on certain other things. We'd do even more good to spend the money on seeds and find a place for a community garden. (Not that Trenton doesn't have a thriving comunity garden program.)<br/><br/>Best,<br/><br/>MEA In some ways, acknowledging my guilt or responsibility or whatever we call it, makes it easier. For me to say, yes, I know that what I am doing is wrong, and I will accept that and try to do less wrong is easier and constantly pretending to myself and other that it’s all just fine.

This Sunday, while my church had a meeting over the fact we can’t pretend we don’t have a budget gap because there is no long any money lying around to transfer from fund to fun. (BTY, a lot of blaime was heaped on the cost of fuels, but no one was willing to address the idea of insulating the church.) My dd and their friends were making coloring kits — taking unused pages of old coloring books and making little bags of gently used crayons to go with them for the children waiting for their meals at the soup kitchen to use. It’s a lovely idea. I’m very proud of my dd coming up with the idea when were at the soup kitchen and she saw a overwhemed mother slap her child. But it begs the question of why people are using up their own coloring books and crayons, and the fact the soup kitchen wanted everying in clear plastic bags (read zip locks) means that for every child who isn’t getting clipped around the ear for not siting still, another child is paying the price. (I can not get the soup kitchen to collect used zip locks from their patrons, even though they hand out all sort of things in them.)

I can only say, I think we are going less harm buying zip locks that spending the same amount of money on certain other things. We’d do even more good to spend the money on seeds and find a place for a community garden. (Not that Trenton doesn’t have a thriving comunity garden program.)

Best,

MEA

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By: Michelle in Ga http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-932 Michelle in Ga Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:06:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-932 Very good. M<br/>(The age of carbon accountability<br/>was the phrase I was trying to think of earlier. :) ) Very good. M
(The age of carbon accountability
was the phrase I was trying to think of earlier. :) )

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By: Kiashu http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-931 Kiashu Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:33:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-931 Alrighty, here you go! See <a HREF="http://greenwithagun.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Green with a gun</a>. Sounds sinister, doesn't it? Alrighty, here you go! See Green with a gun. Sounds sinister, doesn’t it?

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By: Kiashu http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-930 Kiashu Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:50:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/04/29/the-limits-of-responsibility-revisiting-eichmann/#comment-930 A most impressive post, and I'm flattered that my coments and those of others are worthy of such a ong and well-considered piece. It makes me feel all rabbinical ;)<br/><br/>It requires a long response. So long, in fact, that I'll probably have to go and start my own blog on these issues...!<br/><br/>P.S. And I'm a boy ;) "Kiashu" is comes from my name - like the Rambam - very pretentious of me, I know! :D A most impressive post, and I’m flattered that my coments and those of others are worthy of such a ong and well-considered piece. It makes me feel all rabbinical ;)

It requires a long response. So long, in fact, that I’ll probably have to go and start my own blog on these issues…!

P.S. And I’m a boy ;) “Kiashu” is comes from my name - like the Rambam - very pretentious of me, I know! :D

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