Comments on: No More Scrod http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/ Finding the keys to the future…and trying not to lose them in the mess. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:26:03 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: PCB TRADE http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-942 PCB TRADE Tue, 08 May 2007 01:30:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-942 the opinion is correct the opinion is correct

]]> By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-941 Anonymous Mon, 07 May 2007 18:03:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-941 The pressure on pregnant women (or worse, all girls and women) to avoid fish because of the mercury is alarmist hype that does real damage to babies as well as women. The "good" oils in fish, which are otherwise underrepresented in the modern diet, are necessary for proper brain development. A large recent study found that women who ate plenty of fish while pregnant had kids with IQs several points higher than the children of non-fish eaters. Another way to look at that, since fish is a natural part of the human diet, is that the women who avoided fish had their children's IQs LOWERED as a result. Some years back, there was a study of women on a Pacific island with much higher contamination levels and there was still no correlation at all between amount of fish eaten and any negative outcome. IMHO, some of the people who push this phobia are vegan activists who are happy to threaten that your baby could be retarded if you eat fish [meat], just like the anti-choice crowd who tell you that you'll get breast cancer if you have an abortion. They don't care if it's true, so long as it gets you doing what they want. The pressure on pregnant women (or worse, all girls and women) to avoid fish because of the mercury is alarmist hype that does real damage to babies as well as women. The “good” oils in fish, which are otherwise underrepresented in the modern diet, are necessary for proper brain development. A large recent study found that women who ate plenty of fish while pregnant had kids with IQs several points higher than the children of non-fish eaters. Another way to look at that, since fish is a natural part of the human diet, is that the women who avoided fish had their children’s IQs LOWERED as a result. Some years back, there was a study of women on a Pacific island with much higher contamination levels and there was still no correlation at all between amount of fish eaten and any negative outcome. IMHO, some of the people who push this phobia are vegan activists who are happy to threaten that your baby could be retarded if you eat fish [meat], just like the anti-choice crowd who tell you that you’ll get breast cancer if you have an abortion. They don’t care if it’s true, so long as it gets you doing what they want.

]]> By: M.Squirrel http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-940 M.Squirrel Mon, 07 May 2007 11:54:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-940 As a people, we eat way too much animal flesh, period. We're in a world where the quarter pounder is snack, and a 14 oz. steak is dinner. (Although I can make an 8 oz. steak feed five people, and have left-overs).<br/><br/>The fish that are thrown away would be known in my neck of the woods (with no ocean-side) as "pan-fish". Frankly, I've eaten pan-fish, from both fresh water and salt water, and loved both. These fish that are thrown overboard could easily feed anonymous #1's cat.<br/><br/>And sadly enough, the fish that I love the best, whether from sea or salt water, I can't find. Why? Because American businesses have decided its "too cheap" of a fish to sell. And it, too, makes my favorite sushi. As a people, we eat way too much animal flesh, period. We’re in a world where the quarter pounder is snack, and a 14 oz. steak is dinner. (Although I can make an 8 oz. steak feed five people, and have left-overs).

The fish that are thrown away would be known in my neck of the woods (with no ocean-side) as “pan-fish”. Frankly, I’ve eaten pan-fish, from both fresh water and salt water, and loved both. These fish that are thrown overboard could easily feed anonymous #1′s cat.

And sadly enough, the fish that I love the best, whether from sea or salt water, I can’t find. Why? Because American businesses have decided its “too cheap” of a fish to sell. And it, too, makes my favorite sushi.

]]> By: Kiashu http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Kiashu Mon, 07 May 2007 05:29:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-939 Fish farming can be sustainable, and provide us with good and healthy fish. Just as the Amerindians had the corn-maize-squash triangle, so too in south eastern Asia they had the rice-ducks-fish triangle. <br/><br/>It means we eat less fish than we currently do, but that's the same with everything - <b>if we want to be able to have as much tomorrow as today, then we must have less today</b>. Fish farming can be sustainable, and provide us with good and healthy fish. Just as the Amerindians had the corn-maize-squash triangle, so too in south eastern Asia they had the rice-ducks-fish triangle.

It means we eat less fish than we currently do, but that’s the same with everything – if we want to be able to have as much tomorrow as today, then we must have less today.

]]> By: RAS http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-938 RAS Mon, 07 May 2007 01:15:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-938 Farm fish aren't just less healthy because of their diet, but because they have higher concentrations of pollutants in their bloodstream. Also, farm-raised salmon are so off color the flesh has to be dyed so it will look right and people will eat it.<br/><br/>Sharon, I agree with the idea of eating less fish (I've had fish once this year) but I have NO idea what that limerick means. Obviously, I do not have a dirty mind. ;-) Farm fish aren’t just less healthy because of their diet, but because they have higher concentrations of pollutants in their bloodstream. Also, farm-raised salmon are so off color the flesh has to be dyed so it will look right and people will eat it.

Sharon, I agree with the idea of eating less fish (I’ve had fish once this year) but I have NO idea what that limerick means. Obviously, I do not have a dirty mind. ;-)

]]> By: John http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-937 John Mon, 07 May 2007 01:00:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-937 Two sides of one thought come to mind. I don't have hard statistics to back this up, but I know that more and more farmers have been turning to raising fish on their farms. It's relatively easy and lucrative. Even here in Rhode Island, I'm seeing more fish in stores that are "farm-raised." My point on the one hand is that the fish in the ocean aren't the only fish out there, but I don't say that with anything like hope, just to point out the fact. However, that farm-raised fish is, if I'm not mistaken, largely fed a diet of corn, and from what I've read it seems likely that such fish will be less healthy for us--just as traditional farm animals raised on a corn diet tend to be higher in omega-6 fatty acids than omega-3 fatty acids, the same would likely be true with corn-fed fish. Two sides of one thought come to mind. I don’t have hard statistics to back this up, but I know that more and more farmers have been turning to raising fish on their farms. It’s relatively easy and lucrative. Even here in Rhode Island, I’m seeing more fish in stores that are “farm-raised.” My point on the one hand is that the fish in the ocean aren’t the only fish out there, but I don’t say that with anything like hope, just to point out the fact. However, that farm-raised fish is, if I’m not mistaken, largely fed a diet of corn, and from what I’ve read it seems likely that such fish will be less healthy for us–just as traditional farm animals raised on a corn diet tend to be higher in omega-6 fatty acids than omega-3 fatty acids, the same would likely be true with corn-fed fish.

]]> By: Kiashu http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-936 Kiashu Mon, 07 May 2007 00:53:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-936 On the positive side, recently South Pacific nations agreed to effectively cease the practice of bottom-trawling, as you can read <a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6627425.stm" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">here at the BBC</a>. It's not much on a global scale, but it's something.<br/><br/>In terms of fish farming, it should be noted that something like a quarter of the world's fish for human consumption are now produced in fish farms - especially in China. Unfortunately, these fish are often consuming sea fish - when they do trawling, anything they reject for human consumption goes into making fish meal, then pellets, which go to the fish farms. Across the world, about 1/4-1/3 of the wild fish caught go to feeding other fish in farms. Also, the fish farms take in a lot of grain.<br/><br/>Somewhat promising is the practice of <a HREF="http://www.aquaponics.com.au/" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">aquaponics</a>. One system is to have water circulating from fish ponds to vegetable beds; the vegetables take up the fish poo, cleaning the water and being nourished. Again, for these systems there's a large input of fish or grain pellets (depending on which species you choose).<br/><br/>Nonetheless, this sort of small-scale stuff seems promising, and seems overall a less wasteful process than current commercial fishing methods. <br/><br/>You could probably get a fish a week with a fairly small setup ;) On the positive side, recently South Pacific nations agreed to effectively cease the practice of bottom-trawling, as you can read here at the BBC. It’s not much on a global scale, but it’s something.

In terms of fish farming, it should be noted that something like a quarter of the world’s fish for human consumption are now produced in fish farms – especially in China. Unfortunately, these fish are often consuming sea fish – when they do trawling, anything they reject for human consumption goes into making fish meal, then pellets, which go to the fish farms. Across the world, about 1/4-1/3 of the wild fish caught go to feeding other fish in farms. Also, the fish farms take in a lot of grain.

Somewhat promising is the practice of aquaponics. One system is to have water circulating from fish ponds to vegetable beds; the vegetables take up the fish poo, cleaning the water and being nourished. Again, for these systems there’s a large input of fish or grain pellets (depending on which species you choose).

Nonetheless, this sort of small-scale stuff seems promising, and seems overall a less wasteful process than current commercial fishing methods.

You could probably get a fish a week with a fairly small setup ;)

]]> By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-935 Anonymous Sun, 06 May 2007 22:59:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-935 Personally, I miss the past pluperfect scrod - those were the days.<br/><br/>But seriously I am appalled at the sight on TV of fishing boats hauling in huge nets of fish, picking through what they want and throwing the dead and dying remainder back. The bottom trawlers are worse as they take everything and wreck the environment<br/><br/>Also, I have just inherited a cat who will only eat two varieties of canned fish. When I opened her little tin this morning I thought what a waste - both the tinning and the fish inside the tin. An awful lot of fish must go into cat food<br/><br/>Emeeathome Personally, I miss the past pluperfect scrod – those were the days.

But seriously I am appalled at the sight on TV of fishing boats hauling in huge nets of fish, picking through what they want and throwing the dead and dying remainder back. The bottom trawlers are worse as they take everything and wreck the environment

Also, I have just inherited a cat who will only eat two varieties of canned fish. When I opened her little tin this morning I thought what a waste – both the tinning and the fish inside the tin. An awful lot of fish must go into cat food

Emeeathome

]]> By: Chelee http://sharonastyk.com/2007/05/06/no-more-scrod/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Chelee Sun, 06 May 2007 20:42:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=315#comment-934 I personally love veggie sushi:). I personally love veggie sushi:).

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