Comments on: 52 Weeks Down - Week 14 - Halve It! http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:47:41 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1996 Anonymous Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:35:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1996 ----Megan said...<br/><br/> What's the purpose of cleaning your toilet half as often? As long as your cleaning supplies aren't toxic is there anything wrong with a clean toilet?---- <br/><br/>Yes, there is a purpose to cleaning half as often - you use half as many cleaning supplies. Even if they're non-toxic, they still represent resources -- and it's always worth it to try to conserve any kind of resource. In addition, the materials that go into homemade cleaning supplies come in packaging, so cutting your cleaning in half cuts packaging in half, too.<br/><br/>--Shana in Missouri —-Megan said…

What’s the purpose of cleaning your toilet half as often? As long as your cleaning supplies aren’t toxic is there anything wrong with a clean toilet?—-

Yes, there is a purpose to cleaning half as often - you use half as many cleaning supplies. Even if they’re non-toxic, they still represent resources — and it’s always worth it to try to conserve any kind of resource. In addition, the materials that go into homemade cleaning supplies come in packaging, so cutting your cleaning in half cuts packaging in half, too.

–Shana in Missouri

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1995 Anonymous Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:08:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1995 - On bike hostility - For the first time 2 years ago I couldn't walk to work (I've moved and do again now), so I bought a moped. I got a lot of abuse, at first, and I found out it was because everyone assumed I was a drunk-driver with a suspended liscence. After all why would anyone else ride a vehicle that doesn't require a driver's liscence? (One reason why mopeds and motorcycles are treated so differently here). I even heard that charge leveled against a bike rider once, they must have lost their liscence. But then everyone started asking me what gas mileage I got. Pedal bikers also get less hostility in my community than they did just 2 years ago. Our community is not yet set up to make bikes convenient or encourage them, but the hostility has really evaporated quickly and noticably. Maybe things will get better where you folks are in another year or two.<br/><br/>Also, big cars can be even more fuel efficient than mopeds if you fill them with people. So I'll add a "double" suggestion. Double your average people/trip in larger vehicles!<br/>-Brian M. - On bike hostility - For the first time 2 years ago I couldn’t walk to work (I’ve moved and do again now), so I bought a moped. I got a lot of abuse, at first, and I found out it was because everyone assumed I was a drunk-driver with a suspended liscence. After all why would anyone else ride a vehicle that doesn’t require a driver’s liscence? (One reason why mopeds and motorcycles are treated so differently here). I even heard that charge leveled against a bike rider once, they must have lost their liscence. But then everyone started asking me what gas mileage I got. Pedal bikers also get less hostility in my community than they did just 2 years ago. Our community is not yet set up to make bikes convenient or encourage them, but the hostility has really evaporated quickly and noticably. Maybe things will get better where you folks are in another year or two.

Also, big cars can be even more fuel efficient than mopeds if you fill them with people. So I’ll add a “double” suggestion. Double your average people/trip in larger vehicles!
-Brian M.

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By: Megan http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1994 Megan Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:59:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1994 What's the purpose of cleaning your toilet half as often? As long as your cleaning supplies aren't toxic is there anything wrong with a clean toilet? What’s the purpose of cleaning your toilet half as often? As long as your cleaning supplies aren’t toxic is there anything wrong with a clean toilet?

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By: jlpicard2 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1993 jlpicard2 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:35:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1993 <i>"you could probably get rid of half of the clothes in your closet without really noticing"</i><br/><br/>That may not be such a good idea. If you store those clothes instead of getting rid of them, you would have to buy less new clothes to replace the clothes you actually wore out. To put it another way, someday you may not be able to afford new clothes, so putting some away might be a really good idea. “you could probably get rid of half of the clothes in your closet without really noticing”

That may not be such a good idea. If you store those clothes instead of getting rid of them, you would have to buy less new clothes to replace the clothes you actually wore out. To put it another way, someday you may not be able to afford new clothes, so putting some away might be a really good idea.

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By: homebrewlibrarian http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1992 homebrewlibrarian Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:39:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1992 Ras - I hear you on bike negative places. When I lived in Tampa, FL for a couple years, riding a bike would have been suicidal. Almost no sidewalks, no shoulders and forget looking for bike paths. You drove or took the bus. Even walking was difficult.<br/><br/>Loretta - twice within two weeks did I have car drivers yell at me to get off the road. On a section of street that was practically residential and very wide to boot. I found it interesting that these drivers were younger - they looked to be in their 20s. To date, I've had no elder person take verbal issue with my street riding. But I understand the hostility of trying to use drive throughs - been there, had the same reactions.<br/><br/>Seems these days that driving a four wheeled vehicle is seen as an absolute right. Anything on two wheels (including motorcycles and scooters) is sneered at. I can deal with the sneering but it gets tough when someone feels they need to run me off the road. This has not happened often, thankfully, but I certainly get more of an aerobic workout because of it! I wonder how much sneering there'll be when fuel costs become higher than folks can pay. Up here in Alaska, bigger is seen as better so the number of SUVs and large trucks is very high. Hummers are quite popular as well. I wonder how the owners of such vehicles will handle rising fuel costs? Especially when they still have to pay on their car loans? Ras - I hear you on bike negative places. When I lived in Tampa, FL for a couple years, riding a bike would have been suicidal. Almost no sidewalks, no shoulders and forget looking for bike paths. You drove or took the bus. Even walking was difficult.

Loretta - twice within two weeks did I have car drivers yell at me to get off the road. On a section of street that was practically residential and very wide to boot. I found it interesting that these drivers were younger - they looked to be in their 20s. To date, I’ve had no elder person take verbal issue with my street riding. But I understand the hostility of trying to use drive throughs - been there, had the same reactions.

Seems these days that driving a four wheeled vehicle is seen as an absolute right. Anything on two wheels (including motorcycles and scooters) is sneered at. I can deal with the sneering but it gets tough when someone feels they need to run me off the road. This has not happened often, thankfully, but I certainly get more of an aerobic workout because of it! I wonder how much sneering there’ll be when fuel costs become higher than folks can pay. Up here in Alaska, bigger is seen as better so the number of SUVs and large trucks is very high. Hummers are quite popular as well. I wonder how the owners of such vehicles will handle rising fuel costs? Especially when they still have to pay on their car loans?

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By: Correne http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1991 Correne Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:41:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1991 Baking Soda & Vinegar in lieu of shampoo: First, I sprinkle baking soda into my hand and scrub my scalp with it. Then, I sprinkle vinegar on my head out of a squeeze-bottle. It makes the baking soda foam up, and I scrub a little more before rinsing.<br/><br/>It's working for me, and I'm only using shampoo every week or two. Baking Soda & Vinegar in lieu of shampoo: First, I sprinkle baking soda into my hand and scrub my scalp with it. Then, I sprinkle vinegar on my head out of a squeeze-bottle. It makes the baking soda foam up, and I scrub a little more before rinsing.

It’s working for me, and I’m only using shampoo every week or two.

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By: RAS http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1990 RAS Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:17:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1990 I've actually discovered that I only need 1/3 the recommended amount of laundry powder for my loads, and that only for really dirty loads. I can get by with (you guessed it) halve that for normal loads.<br/><br/>loretta, you have it better than I do as far as riding your bike. This place does NOT like bike riders. There is no place to chain your bike up practically anywhere, there are major highways (no bikes allowed) all over, and my school actually bans bikes because they want to control who comes on and off campus. (It's not like anyone can't just walk on, but hey, I guess people don't walk anymore.) Grrr.... I’ve actually discovered that I only need 1/3 the recommended amount of laundry powder for my loads, and that only for really dirty loads. I can get by with (you guessed it) halve that for normal loads.

loretta, you have it better than I do as far as riding your bike. This place does NOT like bike riders. There is no place to chain your bike up practically anywhere, there are major highways (no bikes allowed) all over, and my school actually bans bikes because they want to control who comes on and off campus. (It’s not like anyone can’t just walk on, but hey, I guess people don’t walk anymore.) Grrr….

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By: Leila http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1989 Leila Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:36:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1989 I can do this. In fact I am doing it by quarters... as in, reducing consumption by a quarter. Using cloth shopping bags; walking to shopping more often; bringing clean jars to the natural food place to buy peanut butter; etc. Oh yes, and I now pay close attention to the little line measurement on the laundry soap; and I buy powder in a recyclable box rather than liquid in a plastic bottle. <br/><br/>All of this is no trouble at all. So reducing by half could be done. I can do this. In fact I am doing it by quarters… as in, reducing consumption by a quarter. Using cloth shopping bags; walking to shopping more often; bringing clean jars to the natural food place to buy peanut butter; etc. Oh yes, and I now pay close attention to the little line measurement on the laundry soap; and I buy powder in a recyclable box rather than liquid in a plastic bottle.

All of this is no trouble at all. So reducing by half could be done.

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By: Alan http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1988 Alan Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:11:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1988 There's a corollary to using only half as much of stuff. Thirty-five years ago, when I was operating the first recycling program in Austin, Texas, we had a piece of advice for people. If everything that is now used only once (water bottles, mayonnaise jars, plastic bags, beer bottles...) were used just *one* more time, the amount of resources (materials and energy) used for those purposes would be reduced by 50% (*cut*in*half*!!). And every subsequent re-use would lower the amount of resources used even further.<br/><br/>This is part of why refillable beer, soda, and milk bottles were (and are) so superior in terms of energy and material use to single-use ("throwaway") containers.<br/><br/>Ideally, pretty much everything that must be sold in containers would be sold in refillable containers carrying a substantial deposit (at least equal to their replacement cost).<br/><br/>Everyone would buy their "canned" green beans and tomato sauce in pint and quart Mason jars, their mustard in half-pint jars, their party dip in the flat, wide-mouth canning jars, and so on. All food processors would use the same standardized jars (only two lid sizes with the same threads), so collecting them from the stores or collection centers where they are returned for their deposits and re-distributing them would be simple.<br/><br/>The costs of shipping the glass jars and bottles around is substantial, owing to their weight, so there would be a strong incentive to keep food processing local or, at worst, regional. Back when soft drinks were only sold in refillable glass bottles, soda was produced and distributed pretty much on a county level. And before that, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of small breweries produced and distributed beer on a local or regional scale. And most used one of only a very few standardized bottles.<br/><br/>Much beer was sold across the counter in pails that customers brought in and carried home to have with their meals. A local microbrew pub chain here in Portland, has from its beginnings over 20 years ago, sold their fresh beer in refillable jars. They sell the jars (half-gallon Ball Mason jars) at their pubs or folks bring their own. There’s a corollary to using only half as much of stuff. Thirty-five years ago, when I was operating the first recycling program in Austin, Texas, we had a piece of advice for people. If everything that is now used only once (water bottles, mayonnaise jars, plastic bags, beer bottles…) were used just *one* more time, the amount of resources (materials and energy) used for those purposes would be reduced by 50% (*cut*in*half*!!). And every subsequent re-use would lower the amount of resources used even further.

This is part of why refillable beer, soda, and milk bottles were (and are) so superior in terms of energy and material use to single-use (”throwaway”) containers.

Ideally, pretty much everything that must be sold in containers would be sold in refillable containers carrying a substantial deposit (at least equal to their replacement cost).

Everyone would buy their “canned” green beans and tomato sauce in pint and quart Mason jars, their mustard in half-pint jars, their party dip in the flat, wide-mouth canning jars, and so on. All food processors would use the same standardized jars (only two lid sizes with the same threads), so collecting them from the stores or collection centers where they are returned for their deposits and re-distributing them would be simple.

The costs of shipping the glass jars and bottles around is substantial, owing to their weight, so there would be a strong incentive to keep food processing local or, at worst, regional. Back when soft drinks were only sold in refillable glass bottles, soda was produced and distributed pretty much on a county level. And before that, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of small breweries produced and distributed beer on a local or regional scale. And most used one of only a very few standardized bottles.

Much beer was sold across the counter in pails that customers brought in and carried home to have with their meals. A local microbrew pub chain here in Portland, has from its beginnings over 20 years ago, sold their fresh beer in refillable jars. They sell the jars (half-gallon Ball Mason jars) at their pubs or folks bring their own.

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By: chile http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1987 chile Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:36:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2007/07/31/52-weeks-down-week-14-halve-it/#comment-1987 I think about halving things all the time, Sharon. It's a great tip!<br/><br/>homebrewlibrarian, check out Xtracycle for one way to carry more groceries. You can also get panniers; mine could hold your cat litter although I'd get two bags to be balanced. Or a trailer. You can build one yourself for under $80. Stop by my blog for inspiration and photos. I think about halving things all the time, Sharon. It’s a great tip!

homebrewlibrarian, check out Xtracycle for one way to carry more groceries. You can also get panniers; mine could hold your cat litter although I’d get two bags to be balanced. Or a trailer. You can build one yourself for under $80. Stop by my blog for inspiration and photos.

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