Comments on: Hard Times Come Again- Voices of Those who Have Been There Before http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:11:18 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: Love Thy Neighbor » GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-4474 Love Thy Neighbor » GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:33:12 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-4474 [...] her blog post today Sharon talks about the voices of people who have lived through hard times, and the one thing that made [...] […] her blog post today Sharon talks about the voices of people who have lived through hard times, and the one thing that made […]

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By: Wrencher http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3886 Wrencher Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:25:56 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3886 This is the first time I have been on your site. Wow- lots of information and insight. My parents were Great Depression babies and sort of carried the whole experience through out their lives. My dad's family once lived for a month on corn meal. They had corn mush, corn bread, and I don't know what else. People can't even conceive of the idea that this could happen again. This is the first time I have been on your site. Wow- lots of information and insight. My parents were Great Depression babies and sort of carried the whole experience through out their lives. My dad’s family once lived for a month on corn meal. They had corn mush, corn bread, and I don’t know what else. People can’t even conceive of the idea that this could happen again.

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By: Rebecca http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3863 Rebecca Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:07:43 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3863 One thing that bothers me as we are going into this is that in the first great depression, more people owned their homes outright or were able to hang onto them. I'm afraid this one will see a lot more homeless people, and that's a recipe for disaster. One thing that bothers me as we are going into this is that in the first great depression, more people owned their homes outright or were able to hang onto them. I’m afraid this one will see a lot more homeless people, and that’s a recipe for disaster.

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By: Kati http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3860 Kati Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:03:22 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3860 THANK YOU for this list!!! I finished reading "Women of Valor" about a month ago, and am currently working my way through "The Hungry Years: A Narrative History of the Great Depression in America" by T.H. Watkins. (Only 1/3 through, though, so no reviews to share as yet, though the discussion of the Unemployed Cooperatives struck me as useful information, if not 100% effective in practice, according to the book.) I will certainly be looking for that "Making Do: How Women Survived the 30's" now that I know the title. (That's been the hardest part, finding accurate titles in order to facilitate the book's finding in my library's collection.) May I also suggest some reading of books relating to life in the Soviet Union?!?! One book I've picked up ($.50 from the used-book-sale at my library) is "Fifty Russian Winters: An American Woman's Life in the Soviet Union" by Margaret Wettlin. I haven't read this one yet, so I can't say how it is, but it would seem that some of the ordeals these women & men have dealt with could be related to our own coming hard-times. (And, specifically, growing food on Dacha property to supliment the meager government-supplied diet.) THANK YOU for this list!!! I finished reading “Women of Valor” about a month ago, and am currently working my way through “The Hungry Years: A Narrative History of the Great Depression in America” by T.H. Watkins. (Only 1/3 through, though, so no reviews to share as yet, though the discussion of the Unemployed Cooperatives struck me as useful information, if not 100% effective in practice, according to the book.)

I will certainly be looking for that “Making Do: How Women Survived the 30’s” now that I know the title. (That’s been the hardest part, finding accurate titles in order to facilitate the book’s finding in my library’s collection.)

May I also suggest some reading of books relating to life in the Soviet Union?!?! One book I’ve picked up ($.50 from the used-book-sale at my library) is “Fifty Russian Winters: An American Woman’s Life in the Soviet Union” by Margaret Wettlin. I haven’t read this one yet, so I can’t say how it is, but it would seem that some of the ordeals these women & men have dealt with could be related to our own coming hard-times. (And, specifically, growing food on Dacha property to supliment the meager government-supplied diet.)

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By: meg http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3836 meg Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:30:29 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3836 Just this morning after watching Democracy Now! and some news stories on The Real News I was asking myself if things can get much worse. I know they can. I've heard the stories. To this day my great-grandmother will throw nothing away--tin foil, plastic wrap, sour cream containers. I myself am trying to prepare for a leaner future by learning the subtle art of gardening (and praying my seeds will come up), joining a local CSA, and working on the small dairy goat farm. Not to mention the fact that I am turning into my great-grandmother...at the age of 19. We can do it! Just this morning after watching Democracy Now! and some news stories on The Real News I was asking myself if things can get much worse. I know they can. I’ve heard the stories. To this day my great-grandmother will throw nothing away–tin foil, plastic wrap, sour cream containers. I myself am trying to prepare for a leaner future by learning the subtle art of gardening (and praying my seeds will come up), joining a local CSA, and working on the small dairy goat farm.

Not to mention the fact that I am turning into my great-grandmother…at the age of 19.

We can do it!

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By: Jim http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3835 Jim Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:21:15 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3835 Sharon, Bernie Sternsher and Judy Sealander were teachers of mine at BGSU, and would be proud of you: your use of wisdom against the coming dark is what history is for. Enjoy your Purim! Sharon, Bernie Sternsher and Judy Sealander were teachers of mine at BGSU, and would be proud of you: your use of wisdom against the coming dark is what history is for.

Enjoy your Purim!

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By: Heather Gray http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3834 Heather Gray Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:41:38 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3834 Great post, and am checking out the links. Was going to relate some things from my parents' Depression experiences, but it was getting too long. I'll post it over at my blog and save you the space! Great post, and am checking out the links.

Was going to relate some things from my parents’ Depression experiences, but it was getting too long. I’ll post it over at my blog and save you the space!

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By: Birdwell http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3833 Birdwell Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:27:40 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3833 It's a common misunderstanding that if you get food stamps, the program takes your home. Not true! Your neighbors might want to look at getting food stamps to help them through this very difficult period. It is indeed hard for proud and hardworking families to accept the help, but that is what the help is there for. They should look at it as a way to continue to be productive members of the community and when they can will be able to "pay it forward" and help others when they can. http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm It’s a common misunderstanding that if you get food stamps, the program takes your home. Not true!
Your neighbors might want to look at getting food stamps to help them through this very difficult period. It is indeed hard for proud and hardworking families to accept the help, but that is what the help is there for. They should look at it as a way to continue to be productive members of the community and when they can will be able to “pay it forward” and help others when they can.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm

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By: WNC Observer http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3832 WNC Observer Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:27:25 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3832 The thing that has always struck me about the Great Depression stories that I have heard is that it seems like everybody was either homeless, on the road, and begging for food - or else they had homeless people who were on the road, showing up at their back door each night, begging for food. The thing that has always struck me about the Great Depression stories that I have heard is that it seems like everybody was either homeless, on the road, and begging for food - or else they had homeless people who were on the road, showing up at their back door each night, begging for food.

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By: Ani http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3830 Ani Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:52:01 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/24/hard-times-come-again-voices-of-those-who-have-been-there-before/#comment-3830 yes- that is a good tune..... have gotten to sing it in a group- a large group (only way they'll let me sing;) ) I think that one thing that might be different this time is how many people might be insulated to some degree from the hard times. It seems to me, although I could be mistaken, that although there were some who did well and even prospered during the previous Great Depression, most people were poor. So in that case as they were effectively all in it together they were able to assist each other. I was thinking about my community for instance- and how differently we are all set even on this one mountain to weather economic difficulty- depends a lot I think on how much wealth one has accumulated, how it is stashed or invested, household size- 1 vs 2 earners, etc. BTW Sharon- hope you will do your review of WMBH soon- I finished reading it- and sure do have some thoughts. Does Kunstler have a problem with women or what?? I hope that as much as he has shown significant prescience in terms of how things might unfold- I do hope his take on women is as accurate as his stock market predictions! yes- that is a good tune….. have gotten to sing it in a group- a large group (only way they’ll let me sing;) )
I think that one thing that might be different this time is how many people might be insulated to some degree from the hard times. It seems to me, although I could be mistaken, that although there were some who did well and even prospered during the previous Great Depression, most people were poor. So in that case as they were effectively all in it together they were able to assist each other. I was thinking about my community for instance- and how differently we are all set even on this one mountain to weather economic difficulty- depends a lot I think on how much wealth one has accumulated, how it is stashed or invested, household size- 1 vs 2 earners, etc.

BTW Sharon- hope you will do your review of WMBH soon- I finished reading it- and sure do have some thoughts. Does Kunstler have a problem with women or what?? I hope that as much as he has shown significant prescience in terms of how things might unfold- I do hope his take on women is as accurate as his stock market predictions!

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