Comments on: Dissecting the Long Emergency http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:20:43 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: James http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4044 James Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:51:49 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4044 Check out, for example, www.indianchild.com, which states that the pop was more or less stable 1910-1920, then increased dramatically as a result of curative and preventative medicine which lowered the death rate. Check out, for example,
http://www.indianchild.com, which states
that the pop was more or less
stable 1910-1920, then increased
dramatically as a result of curative
and preventative medicine which
lowered the death rate.

]]>
By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4041 Sharon Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:27:18 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4041 Albert, I agree with everything you say - I think the next couple of years are going to be very messy ones for the whole world. Sharon Albert, I agree with everything you say - I think the next couple of years are going to be very messy ones for the whole world.

Sharon

]]>
By: Albert Bates http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4035 Albert Bates Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:34:15 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4035 Relationship to Crisis in Gaza: Absolutely Direct. Condi goes to the Middle East but gets nowhere, so they send Darth Vader. The Saudis say, yes we will be happy to open the taps a bit wider, even support your position on Iran, but we need to you to show some mercy to the Palestinians. So Dick meets with the Palestinian leadership and pledges support in building an independent state. Then Condi goes back for another try, and the Israelis retire 40 checkpoints as a gesture, mostly window dressing, but are actually pretty upset that Darth was meeting with the Palestinian leadership. Anyway, is this about Peak Oil? Absolutely. The big four suppliers for the USA are Canada (scraping the sands), Mexico (bone dry in 6 years), Venezuela (Houston we have a problem: they are building refineries in China to process Orinoco Heavy), and Saudi Arabia. Of those, only the Saudis still sell the light sweet and say they have reserve capacity. Between Israel and Saudi Arabia, one has oil, the other doesn't. Climate Change? Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have serious water issues that are stifling development. Both are vulnerable to sea level rise, especially as it might affect salinity of aquifers. Under such conditions, geopolitical calculus must take account of using military power to expand one's reach to encompass new water sources, or conversely, defending from same. The Koran is pretty clear about the duty to protect one's water supply. Relationship to Crisis in Gaza: Absolutely Direct. Condi goes to the Middle East but gets nowhere, so they send Darth Vader. The Saudis say, yes we will be happy to open the taps a bit wider, even support your position on Iran, but we need to you to show some mercy to the Palestinians. So Dick meets with the Palestinian leadership and pledges support in building an independent state. Then Condi goes back for another try, and the Israelis retire 40 checkpoints as a gesture, mostly window dressing, but are actually pretty upset that Darth was meeting with the Palestinian leadership. Anyway, is this about Peak Oil? Absolutely. The big four suppliers for the USA are Canada (scraping the sands), Mexico (bone dry in 6 years), Venezuela (Houston we have a problem: they are building refineries in China to process Orinoco Heavy), and Saudi Arabia. Of those, only the Saudis still sell the light sweet and say they have reserve capacity. Between Israel and Saudi Arabia, one has oil, the other doesn’t. Climate Change? Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have serious water issues that are stifling development. Both are vulnerable to sea level rise, especially as it might affect salinity of aquifers. Under such conditions, geopolitical calculus must take account of using military power to expand one’s reach to encompass new water sources, or conversely, defending from same. The Koran is pretty clear about the duty to protect one’s water supply.

]]>
By: is this how it is » Things I think are worth a read - March 29th through March 30th http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4030 is this how it is » Things I think are worth a read - March 29th through March 30th Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:57:50 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4030 [...] Casaubonâ […] Casaubonâ

]]>
By: Rosa http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4007 Rosa Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:53:52 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4007 Hey Sharon, I just got back home and haven't had time to read your last two week's of posts...but thank you for the one about the shopping list. We were in New Mexico and Arizona, and did a lot of climbing and looking at Sinagua ruins (and eating frybread, which we can also do at home, but whatever.) It's important to remember that people organized in a community and building up a specific body of knowledge about the place, it's climate, and the local biome, can live *anywhere*. And have a lot of spare time to sit around painting, weaving, and building, too. Hey Sharon, I just got back home and haven’t had time to read your last two week’s of posts…but thank you for the one about the shopping list.

We were in New Mexico and Arizona, and did a lot of climbing and looking at Sinagua ruins (and eating frybread, which we can also do at home, but whatever.) It’s important to remember that people organized in a community and building up a specific body of knowledge about the place, it’s climate, and the local biome, can live *anywhere*.

And have a lot of spare time to sit around painting, weaving, and building, too.

]]>
By: Shaun Chamberlin http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4005 Shaun Chamberlin Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:20:57 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4005 "In the long term, climate change will probably dramatically alter housing patterns, and cause some markets simply to collapse." For a glimpse of that future take a look at: http://viabilityindex.com/ You wouldn't be able to tell, but oddly enough, it's part of a rather brilliant project by the band Nine Inch Nails to wake people up to climate change and the state of American politics. “In the long term, climate change will probably dramatically alter housing patterns, and cause some markets simply to collapse.”

For a glimpse of that future take a look at: http://viabilityindex.com/

You wouldn’t be able to tell, but oddly enough, it’s part of a rather brilliant project by the band Nine Inch Nails to wake people up to climate change and the state of American politics.

]]>
By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4001 Sharon Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:12:42 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-4001 James, the medical and food benefits you describe aren't characteristic of early British colonialism. Well being didn't increase in India, it declined when Britain moved in. Shiva's tracking of population growth long preceeds the green revolution or major medical advances - by 60 years or more. And it is just shocking that the Indians aren't more grateful to the British. Heck, American Indians are damned ungrateful to us - and their population delcined ;-P. Sharon James, the medical and food benefits you describe aren’t characteristic of early British colonialism. Well being didn’t increase in India, it declined when Britain moved in. Shiva’s tracking of population growth long preceeds the green revolution or major medical advances - by 60 years or more.

And it is just shocking that the Indians aren’t more grateful to the British. Heck, American Indians are damned ungrateful to us - and their population delcined ;-P.

Sharon

]]>
By: Josef Davies-Coates http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3996 Josef Davies-Coates Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:47:17 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3996 Er... The global financial system is based on debt and if we <strike>can</strike> <b>can't</b> create more debt year on year then it collapses. Er…

The global financial system is based on debt and if we can can’t create more debt year on year then it collapses.

]]>
By: Josef Davies-Coates http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3995 Josef Davies-Coates Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:45:40 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3995 Great article Sharon, although I think the link between Financial Crisis and global instability is far from tenuous. See, for example <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/19-us-dollar-vs-the-euro-another-reason-for-the-invasion-of-iraq/" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/9-irans-new-oil-trade-system-challenges-us-currency/" rel="nofollow">this</a>. I remember feeling quite sickened when some of the first reports out of Iraq post our "winning" was the "good news" that Iraqi's were now freer to max out credit cards on consumer goods. The global financial system is based on debt and if we can create more debt year on year then it collapses. Hence why this was reported as good news. Sigh. Kiashu: I take your points about aquifers but it is nonsensical to say that has nothing to do with climate change. Plants are just like you and me; when it gets hotter they need to drink more (thereby speeding up the depletion of aquifers). Great article Sharon, although I think the link between Financial Crisis and global instability is far from tenuous.

See, for example this and this.

I remember feeling quite sickened when some of the first reports out of Iraq post our “winning” was the “good news” that Iraqi’s were now freer to max out credit cards on consumer goods.

The global financial system is based on debt and if we can create more debt year on year then it collapses. Hence why this was reported as good news. Sigh.

Kiashu: I take your points about aquifers but it is nonsensical to say that has nothing to do with climate change. Plants are just like you and me; when it gets hotter they need to drink more (thereby speeding up the depletion of aquifers).

]]>
By: James http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3993 James Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:10:04 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/28/dissecting-the-long-emergency/#comment-3993 Hey Sharon, what's with blaming colonialismfor the rise in India's population ?!  So whena society gets colonised, and has to "serve"those "imperialists", how exactly does thatlead directly to an increase in population ?The common-sense link between colonialismand population increase, is the suddenintroduction of (1) new farming methodsthat lead to higher crop production and (2)medicine which leads in particular to the decline in infant mortality.  Funny how India (or any of the other colonies) never thanked the Brits for all that medical expertise. Hey Sharon, what’s with blaming colonialismfor the rise in India’s population ?!  So whena society gets colonised, and has to “serve”those “imperialists”, how exactly does thatlead directly to an increase in population ?The common-sense link between colonialismand population increase, is the suddenintroduction of (1) new farming methodsthat lead to higher crop production and (2)medicine which leads in particular to the decline in infant mortality.  Funny how India (or any of the other colonies) never
thanked the Brits for all that medical expertise.

]]>