Comments on: Recognizing Parallels When they Slap You In the Face with a Haddock http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:07:06 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: feonixrift http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4153 feonixrift Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:34:42 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4153 I started tracking my grocery spending, to figure out how much of things to start trying to stock, and discovered that I had to totally change my spreadsheet - the prices weren't holding still for a week in some cases. I started tracking my grocery spending, to figure out how much of things to start trying to stock, and discovered that I had to totally change my spreadsheet - the prices weren’t holding still for a week in some cases.

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By: Rosa http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4144 Rosa Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:28:59 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4144 Lisa Z, which coop? We were North Country members (Mpls) until it closed, and I'm kind of looking around (though we'll probably end up at Seward since it's closest). Lisa Z, which coop?

We were North Country members (Mpls) until it closed, and I’m kind of looking around (though we’ll probably end up at Seward since it’s closest).

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By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4141 Sharon Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:53:23 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4141 Jade, thanks so much for reporting the food prices - that's really interesting and useful to know. Sharon Jade, thanks so much for reporting the food prices - that’s really interesting and useful to know.

Sharon

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By: Greenpa http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4067 Greenpa Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:39:06 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4067 And why a haddock? why not a flounder? or Hallibutt? I'm read the same stuff, and yeah, they're not getting it. One thing: "that is, while unemployment remains comparatively low " - Keep in mind that the unemployment statistics have been being "cooked" ever since Bush took office. It's MUCH MUCH higher than the official figures. They only COUNT you if you are "looking for work". For 8 years, now; MILLIONS of people have been "dropping out" of the labor pool- as they have just given up completely looking for work. Good thing we don't have to count them too, huh? And why a haddock? why not a flounder? or Hallibutt?

I’m read the same stuff, and yeah, they’re not getting it.

One thing: “that is, while unemployment remains comparatively low ” -

Keep in mind that the unemployment statistics have been being “cooked” ever since Bush took office. It’s MUCH MUCH higher than the official figures. They only COUNT you if you are “looking for work”. For 8 years, now; MILLIONS of people have been “dropping out” of the labor pool- as they have just given up completely looking for work.

Good thing we don’t have to count them too, huh?

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By: Jade http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4066 Jade Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:38:19 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4066 Idaho Locavore, Thanks for the local data. I'm seeing price schizophrenia on almost every item. On older stock the prices remain the same as the last few weeks but as items are replaced they come in at much higher levels. I can get a pound of spaghetti for 61 cents, but the popular next size up bag of the same brand runs 3-4 times as high. The $12.69 coffee sits next to the $6 cans, with a number of others in the $7-$9 dollar range. It feels like being in a tilt-a whirl where you're not sure whether you'll see the sky or ground when you open your eyes. I still want to know who killed the peanuts! Idaho Locavore,

Thanks for the local data. I’m seeing price schizophrenia on almost every item. On older stock the prices remain the same as the last few weeks but as items are replaced they come in at much higher levels. I can get a pound of spaghetti for 61 cents, but the popular next size up bag of the same brand runs 3-4 times as high. The $12.69 coffee sits next to the $6 cans, with a number of others in the $7-$9 dollar range.

It feels like being in a tilt-a whirl where you’re not sure whether you’ll see the sky or ground when you open your eyes.

I still want to know who killed the peanuts!

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By: Idaho Locavore http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4065 Idaho Locavore Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:28:05 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4065 Jade, wow, that's a big list of out of this world prices. I had a look at our weekly ads here after reading your post, and things look to be pretty much where they were last week. Our coffee by the can, just for comparison, is running around 6 bucks per. Don't know if that's the same size can you were looking at, but if it is that's a bit more than half what it is there! That is a significant regional difference. So, something odd is likely going on in your area - if it were me, I'd probably be curious enough to try to discover what it is. Did anyone have any idea why things had gone so high? good luck! Jade, wow, that’s a big list of out of this world prices. I had a look at our weekly ads here after reading your post, and things look to be pretty much where they were last week. Our coffee by the can, just for comparison, is running around 6 bucks per. Don’t know if that’s the same size can you were looking at, but if it is that’s a bit more than half what it is there! That is a significant regional difference. So, something odd is likely going on in your area - if it were me, I’d probably be curious enough to try to discover what it is. Did anyone have any idea why things had gone so high?

good luck!

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By: Lisa Z http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4064 Lisa Z Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:52:54 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4064 To anonymous: I don't know if this will help with your decision, but there's a lot of financial news over at http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com. Sharon has written about their blog quite a bit. I've learned a lot from both them and Sharon. Check it out. I work at a natural foods co-op here in Central Minnesota, USA. We have seen some price increases over the last several months--i.e. wheat has doubled and almost tripled in price. Other things like body care products (I am the Buyer for these items) have gone up due to fuel costs, etc. but not to the percentage that wheat has. Cod Liver and Fish oils have gone up 25% due to the dollar's value dropping and the Norwegian Kroner's value going up respectively. Still, we have not felt the panic and not seen food prices go up as far as they have in the conventional groceries. Maybe because organic foods have always been higher priced (and more realisitically priced based on the true costs of raising food). I am watching carefully, but so far am not getting the shock at the co-op that I would be at the grocery store. Also, because we tend to buy "ingredients" rather than prepared, processed foods, our food budget remains so much lower than most people's, even buying about 90% organic. I do some shopping at the regular grocery as well though and am tending to stock up on things that are on sale or "manager special" there. Last week, I got 9-2 lb. boxes of spaghetti there for $1.50 each on a "manager special", regular 2.29. I figured with the rising price of wheat, this was quite a deal so I stocked up. My family can eat the conventionally grown wheat pasta with our grassfed beef and home-canned, farmer's market chemical-free tomato sauce! I think it's still possible to find "bargains" like this if you shop carefully. Of course, I'm used to doing that and have been for years. A lot of people are having to totally change their habits, though, I'm sure. I hope they will be able to do that successfully. To anonymous: I don’t know if this will help with your decision, but there’s a lot of financial news over at http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com. Sharon has written about their blog quite a bit. I’ve learned a lot from both them and Sharon. Check it out.

I work at a natural foods co-op here in Central Minnesota, USA. We have seen some price increases over the last several months–i.e. wheat has doubled and almost tripled in price. Other things like body care products (I am the Buyer for these items) have gone up due to fuel costs, etc. but not to the percentage that wheat has. Cod Liver and Fish oils have gone up 25% due to the dollar’s value dropping and the Norwegian Kroner’s value going up respectively.

Still, we have not felt the panic and not seen food prices go up as far as they have in the conventional groceries. Maybe because organic foods have always been higher priced (and more realisitically priced based on the true costs of raising food). I am watching carefully, but so far am not getting the shock at the co-op that I would be at the grocery store. Also, because we tend to buy “ingredients” rather than prepared, processed foods, our food budget remains so much lower than most people’s, even buying about 90% organic.

I do some shopping at the regular grocery as well though and am tending to stock up on things that are on sale or “manager special” there. Last week, I got 9-2 lb. boxes of spaghetti there for $1.50 each on a “manager special”, regular 2.29. I figured with the rising price of wheat, this was quite a deal so I stocked up. My family can eat the conventionally grown wheat pasta with our grassfed beef and home-canned, farmer’s market chemical-free tomato sauce! I think it’s still possible to find “bargains” like this if you shop carefully. Of course, I’m used to doing that and have been for years. A lot of people are having to totally change their habits, though, I’m sure. I hope they will be able to do that successfully.

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By: Elizabeth http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4063 Elizabeth Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:25:54 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4063 Sharon -- I love your website! I cannot remember how I stubbled on it but have marked is as a "daily read". Thank you for all you are doing. I am been in the banking world (not the investment banking world) for 34 years. What we are going through is unlike anything I have ever seen before -- anything. Thank you -- Sharon — I love your website! I cannot remember how I stubbled on it but have marked is as a “daily read”. Thank you for all you are doing.

I am been in the banking world (not the investment banking world) for 34 years. What we are going through is unlike anything I have ever seen before — anything.

Thank you –

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4062 Anonymous Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:49:04 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4062 Hi all. I have been reading this blog for some time now, and have learned so much from Sharon and all of her wonderful readers, thanks so much to you all. Right now I am working on getting a handle on my finances, and reading this post made me think this might be a good place to look for information and advice. I have some money that was given to me by family, and it is currently invested in an index fund. I have many issues with this arrangement, both ethically and practically. I have a dream of using this money as a down payment on a piece of land, but I won't be able to do that for a few years. I wonder if anyone reading this has any advice on sources of information that are savvy to the current ecological/economic situation and could give me some sound advice on how to keep this money for the future in a way that is socially and ecologically responsible. Thanks so much for any information you may have! Hi all. I have been reading this blog for some time now, and have learned so much from Sharon and all of her wonderful readers, thanks so much to you all. Right now I am working on getting a handle on my finances, and reading this post made me think this might be a good place to look for information and advice. I have some money that was given to me by family, and it is currently invested in an index fund. I have many issues with this arrangement, both ethically and practically. I have a dream of using this money as a down payment on a piece of land, but I won’t be able to do that for a few years. I wonder if anyone reading this has any advice on sources of information that are savvy to the current ecological/economic situation and could give me some sound advice on how to keep this money for the future in a way that is socially and ecologically responsible.
Thanks so much for any information you may have!

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By: Rosa http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4061 Rosa Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:20:38 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/03/31/recognizing-parallels-when-they-slap-you-in-the-face-with-a-haddock/#comment-4061 Sharon, my great-grandparents owned a bank in Mason City that went belly-up during the Depression, on mortgaged farm land when the farmers couldn't sell their crop. The difference then from now is farmers who couldn't afford tractor fuel could lay hands on horses and still had horse machinery in the barn. The business news today was full of of farmers switching from corn to wheat and beans for this season, thinking it's all based on price - it's not. The price of producing corn is *high*, and if you don't rotate it's higher in the second year. Chemical fertilizer is made from oil. So people who went all out on corn last year are really gambling if they don't cut back their corn acreage this year, because their input price will definitely go up and it's only speculation that corn prices will continue to rise. Sharon, my great-grandparents owned a bank in Mason City that went belly-up during the Depression, on mortgaged farm land when the farmers couldn’t sell their crop.

The difference then from now is farmers who couldn’t afford tractor fuel could lay hands on horses and still had horse machinery in the barn.

The business news today was full of of farmers switching from corn to wheat and beans for this season, thinking it’s all based on price - it’s not. The price of producing corn is *high*, and if you don’t rotate it’s higher in the second year. Chemical fertilizer is made from oil. So people who went all out on corn last year are really gambling if they don’t cut back their corn acreage this year, because their input price will definitely go up and it’s only speculation that corn prices will continue to rise.

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