Comments on: Seven Fat Cows, Seven Thin Cows: Hoarding and Storing the Seeds of Deliverance http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/ Finding the keys to the future…and trying not to lose them in the mess. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:26:03 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: option binaires http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-76655 option binaires Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:42:26 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-76655 Wonderful blog you have here but I was wanting to know if you knew of any message boards that cover the same topics discussed here? I’d really like to be a part of group where I can get opinions from other experienced individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thank you! Wonderful blog you have here but I was wanting to know if you knew of any message boards that cover the same topics discussed here? I’d really like to be a part of group where I can get opinions from other experienced individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thank you!

]]> By: Robo Defense http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-47837 Robo Defense Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:23:50 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-47837 I agree with your The Chatelaine's Keys » Blog Archive » Seven Fat Cows, Seven Thin Cows: Hoarding and Storing the Seeds of Deliverance, wonderful post. I agree with your The Chatelaine's Keys » Blog Archive » Seven Fat Cows, Seven Thin Cows: Hoarding and Storing the Seeds of Deliverance, wonderful post.

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]]> By: Mummy Jenkins http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-29672 Mummy Jenkins Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:27:07 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-29672 Thoughtful and interesting, thank you. I grew up in manilla but moved to australia at such a young age I barely remember anything apart from the delicious food. I finally found some authentic <a href="http://www.filipinofood.org/" rel="nofollow">Filipino recipes</a> if you want to take a look, I thought I'd share it with you! Thoughtful and interesting, thank you. I grew up in manilla but moved to australia at such a young age I barely remember anything apart from the delicious food. I finally found some authentic Filipino recipes if you want to take a look, I thought I’d share it with you!

]]> By: Hipolito Grinvalsky http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-27871 Hipolito Grinvalsky Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:16:31 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-27871 I hate winter I hate winter

]]> By: Roy http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-4152 Roy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:47:59 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-4152 Great post Sharon. I've been an admirer of your writing for some time now, starting with your posts on ROE2. Having been raised by frugal parents, and spent a lot of time around grandparents who lived through the Depression, stocking up on foodstuffs, buying things on sale, and bargain hunting are a way of life. I have difficulty understanding the mindset of those who don't do those things. One thing I learned in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, was just how quickly large super-centers could be emptied of select items. Our local Walmart Supercenter was picked clean of soda, chips, snack foods, canned soups and stews, bottled water, candy, paper towels, toilet paper, fruit juices etc within 24 hours of re-opening. There was plenty of dried beans, rice, and flour on the shelves. I'm not a religious person, but I do like this verse from the Bible and think it rings true to this day: "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 Great post Sharon. I’ve been an admirer of your writing for some time now, starting with your posts on ROE2.

Having been raised by frugal parents, and spent a lot of time around grandparents who lived through the Depression, stocking up on foodstuffs, buying things on sale, and bargain hunting are a way of life.

I have difficulty understanding the mindset of those who don’t do those things.

One thing I learned in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, was just how quickly large super-centers could be emptied of select items.

Our local Walmart Supercenter was picked clean of soda, chips, snack foods, canned soups and stews, bottled water, candy, paper towels, toilet paper, fruit juices etc within 24 hours of re-opening.

There was plenty of dried beans, rice, and flour on the shelves.

I’m not a religious person, but I do like this verse from the Bible and think it rings true to this day:

“A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.” – Proverbs 22:3

]]> By: dewey http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-4151 dewey Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:44:39 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-4151 I certainly agree with you about avoiding CAFO meat, so would not encourage people to consume it. Although, when I buy the expensive organic meat and eggs, I really have no way of knowing what marginally better but still miserable conditions those animals may have been raised in. Unfortunately, we are already stripping the planet down to bare earth to serve human needs today. You can see that in Haiti and Madagascar today, where unique ecosystems are being permanently devastated. During the Dust Bowl, we did it to parts of this country, and are in train to do it again, as fragile conservation land is now being put back into grain and soybeans. I fear we will not slow our consumption while there is any land left to rape at all. I certainly agree with you about avoiding CAFO meat, so would not encourage people to consume it. Although, when I buy the expensive organic meat and eggs, I really have no way of knowing what marginally better but still miserable conditions those animals may have been raised in.

Unfortunately, we are already stripping the planet down to bare earth to serve human needs today. You can see that in Haiti and Madagascar today, where unique ecosystems are being permanently devastated. During the Dust Bowl, we did it to parts of this country, and are in train to do it again, as fragile conservation land is now being put back into grain and soybeans. I fear we will not slow our consumption while there is any land left to rape at all.

]]> By: Debora Y. Edholm http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-4150 Debora Y. Edholm Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:39:56 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-4150 Gardens are wonderful and I love growing my food. The problem is the weather lately. Does anyone know the best weather or places to have a lovely garden and produce a supply of food? It seems like we never get the truly blue skies or good sunny weather to grow much in our garden. Food is only going to go higher and higher and people are already starving in many places. Rice has almost doubled in market price just in the last couple of months. I know of people that are buying half portions of rice when they eat out in the Phillipines right now. They are selling it this way so more people can afford to eat. If one has the money storage seems essential to me................................ Gardens are wonderful and I love growing my food. The problem is the weather lately. Does anyone know the best weather or places to have a lovely garden and produce a supply of food? It seems like we never get the truly blue skies or good sunny weather to grow much in our garden. Food is only going to go higher and higher and people are already starving in many places. Rice has almost doubled in market price just in the last couple of months. I know of people that are buying half portions of rice when they eat out in the Phillipines right now. They are selling it this way so more people can afford to eat. If one has the money storage seems essential to me…………………………..

]]> By: J6P http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-4149 J6P Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:00:15 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-4149 It might be helpful to save your receipts (that show the date of purchase) in case there is every any need to prove when you bought it. Sounds paranoid, but it is so easy to do, why not? Great post. It's a pity but I think stockpiling will be demonized in a crisis, even though it is natural human behavior, as natural as having extra kids to care for you in old age. As natural as being angry at your neighbor for having the foresight to hoard, and not be hungry, when you didn't. Everything changes when that sense of "I have enough" is gone. Hoarding food is a good way to beat inflation. You could protect yourself against inflation with certain investments, but then you'll have to pay taxes on those 'gains' not to mention the risk of investing. Alpha Strategy has great info on stockpiling non-food items and why this is good home economics: http://www.biorationalinstitute.com/zcontent/alpha_strategy.pdf Stockpiles actually help keep prices low and avoid panic buying. It should be encouraged. It might be helpful to save your receipts (that show the date of purchase) in case there is every any need to prove when you bought it. Sounds paranoid, but it is so easy to do, why not?

Great post. It’s a pity but I think stockpiling will be demonized in a crisis, even though it is natural human behavior, as natural as having extra kids to care for you in old age. As natural as being angry at your neighbor for having the foresight to hoard, and not be hungry, when you didn’t. Everything changes when that sense of “I have enough” is gone.

Hoarding food is a good way to beat inflation. You could protect yourself against inflation with certain investments, but then you’ll have to pay taxes on those ‘gains’ not to mention the risk of investing. Alpha Strategy has great info on stockpiling non-food items and why this is good home economics: http://www.biorationalinstitute.com/zcontent/alpha_strategy.pdf

Stockpiles actually help keep prices low and avoid panic buying. It should be encouraged.

]]> By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/comment-page-1/#comment-4148 Sharon Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:11:19 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/06/seven-fat-cows-seven-thin-cows-hoarding-and-storing-the-seeds-of-deliverance/#comment-4148 Dewey, I agree with you that occasional meat consumption is acceptable - I eat meat. I just don't think that CAFO meat is acceptable for a huge host of reasons, including its contribution to global warming and the fact that it isn't *necessary* to use human grains for meat - you can produce meat quite well without it, more than enough to allow for occasional meat production. It is true that if there were no other consequences to CAFO beef, it wouldn't matter whether you reserved your supply or ate it as beef - but there are - poisoning of groundwater, emissions, inhumane treatment of animals... In fact, I do eat my stocks down, and donate them down, and then raise them back up in times of abundance - or replace them with my homegrown. So no, it isn't quite as simple as you portray it. As for the animals, well, the problem with reductio ad absurdum arguments is that they are always right on some level - yes, it is true that we could strip the planet bare to feed one set of human beings and then let the others die, but that's so unrelated to anything I've discussed that it ends up being a distraction to the real question - which is that we aren't talking about a hypothetical situation in which someone is hypothetically starving, but a real situation in which real, existing people who are conveniently far away, are starving. And I think we both know that saying that human grown grains should be prioritized for human beings - and that means that pet owners have a responsibility for to minimize the impact of their pet's food and feed them a diet that is minimally implicated in the diversion of grains to CAFO meat production is not the same thing as suggesting we strip the planet down to bare earth. If you don't think that hunger will ever come your way, well, eat your allotment as grain fed meat - but there are more ethical ways to do that, particularly for someone singing the animal lover song than CAFO meats. I would simply note that your choice of date is a particularly convenient one - it is true that most of the rich world hasn't known hunger in 50 years. Of course, *60* years ago, half a billion people were in danger of starvation, and 75 years ago Herbert Hoover was saying "no one has starved" while they were pulling the bodies of starving people out of Chicago houses. You are right - it hasn't happened in 50 years. But it would be a logical error as great as making ad absurdem arguments to suggest that it won't ever happen. That has to be set up on other ground. I would also note that guilt is one of those things you accept voluntarily ;-). Sharon Dewey, I agree with you that occasional meat consumption is acceptable – I eat meat. I just don’t think that CAFO meat is acceptable for a huge host of reasons, including its contribution to global warming and the fact that it isn’t *necessary* to use human grains for meat – you can produce meat quite well without it, more than enough to allow for occasional meat production. It is true that if there were no other consequences to CAFO beef, it wouldn’t matter whether you reserved your supply or ate it as beef – but there are – poisoning of groundwater, emissions, inhumane treatment of animals…

In fact, I do eat my stocks down, and donate them down, and then raise them back up in times of abundance – or replace them with my homegrown. So no, it isn’t quite as simple as you portray it.

As for the animals, well, the problem with reductio ad absurdum arguments is that they are always right on some level – yes, it is true that we could strip the planet bare to feed one set of human beings and then let the others die, but that’s so unrelated to anything I’ve discussed that it ends up being a distraction to the real question – which is that we aren’t talking about a hypothetical situation in which someone is hypothetically starving, but a real situation in which real, existing people who are conveniently far away, are starving. And I think we both know that saying that human grown grains should be prioritized for human beings – and that means that pet owners have a responsibility for to minimize the impact of their pet’s food and feed them a diet that is minimally implicated in the diversion of grains to CAFO meat production is not the same thing as suggesting we strip the planet down to bare earth.

If you don’t think that hunger will ever come your way, well, eat your allotment as grain fed meat – but there are more ethical ways to do that, particularly for someone singing the animal lover song than CAFO meats. I would simply note that your choice of date is a particularly convenient one – it is true that most of the rich world hasn’t known hunger in 50 years. Of course, *60* years ago, half a billion people were in danger of starvation, and 75 years ago Herbert Hoover was saying “no one has starved” while they were pulling the bodies of starving people out of Chicago houses. You are right – it hasn’t happened in 50 years. But it would be a logical error as great as making ad absurdem arguments to suggest that it won’t ever happen. That has to be set up on other ground.

I would also note that guilt is one of those things you accept voluntarily ;-) .

Sharon

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