Comments on: Three Mothers and the Fall of Icarus http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:27:56 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: Michelle http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4784 Michelle Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:38:35 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4784 Good post. I've found myself loosening the parental reins just a little. I want to see my progeny happy, while there's still time. Good post. I’ve found myself loosening
the parental reins just a little. I want
to see my progeny happy, while there’s
still time.

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By: Paula Hewitt http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4776 Paula Hewitt Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:59:09 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4776 I have been reading your blog for a while now..and i must say the 'end of the world is nigh' post really distressed me, and the last couple have calmed me down. You write extremely well, and I look forward to seeing what you say. I think that if the current/forthcoming crisis doesnt affect everyone, change in the long term wont occur. I have seen some news in the Australian press about peak oil related issues, but it is either hidden of pge 37 or very low key. there is no real sense of urgency, or desire to change. give up lattes? No thanks, but I'll recycle the cup and do my bit to save the earth - i have friends who think like this and i find myself withdrawing from their company - how can i relate to someone who has so little grasp on reality. i think it will be too little too late for the vast majority of the worlds poor. we are growing veggies, waiting for our fruit trees to crop and walking to school, teaching our kids self sufficency skills.....and all we can do are the little things and hope it works. I have been reading your blog for a while now..and i must say the ‘end of the world is nigh’ post really distressed me, and the last couple have calmed me down. You write extremely well, and I look forward to seeing what you say. I think that if the current/forthcoming crisis doesnt affect everyone, change in the long term wont occur. I have seen some news in the Australian press about peak oil related issues, but it is either hidden of pge 37 or very low key. there is no real sense of urgency, or desire to change. give up lattes? No thanks, but I’ll recycle the cup and do my bit to save the earth - i have friends who think like this and i find myself withdrawing from their company - how can i relate to someone who has so little grasp on reality. i think it will be too little too late for the vast majority of the worlds poor. we are growing veggies, waiting for our fruit trees to crop and walking to school, teaching our kids self sufficency skills…..and all we can do are the little things and hope it works.

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By: Ani http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4773 Ani Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:38:49 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4773 I think that it can be hard to recognize what is happening while we are in it- sort of like not knowing that the stock market or housing prices or oil had peaked until we are able to look in the rear view mirror. I'm not sure why this is the case- it must be human biology I guess. I think that the relatively slow pace of it all is problematic- gas goes up a nickel a day- not two bucks over night, poor people are going hungry but we are used to the idea of poor people going hungry- just maybe there's more of them and they're being more vocal. I can see how this trends down- it is really what I have been expecting as the economic dominos start to fall- it just doesn't happen overnight- so it is hard to really get people's attention. I think that maybe the only way to notice is to document what is happening- record it all- the gas and food prices or shortages, or airlines going bust or companies closing, layoffs, etc- if we see it on paper and there in front of us is the clear trend we will notice. Otherwise it is too easy to forget that so much has changed.... I think that it can be hard to recognize what is happening while we are in it- sort of like not knowing that the stock market or housing prices or oil had peaked until we are able to look in the rear view mirror. I’m not sure why this is the case- it must be human biology I guess. I think that the relatively slow pace of it all is problematic- gas goes up a nickel a day- not two bucks over night, poor people are going hungry but we are used to the idea of poor people going hungry- just maybe there’s more of them and they’re being more vocal.

I can see how this trends down- it is really what I have been expecting as the economic dominos start to fall- it just doesn’t happen overnight- so it is hard to really get people’s attention.

I think that maybe the only way to notice is to document what is happening- record it all- the gas and food prices or shortages, or airlines going bust or companies closing, layoffs, etc- if we see it on paper and there in front of us is the clear trend we will notice. Otherwise it is too easy to forget that so much has changed….

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By: Susan Och http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4770 Susan Och Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:29:12 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4770 About five years ago I heard a radio interview with a historian who had studied the news stories of the Great Depression. He was surprised to see that the bad economic news was not the focus of the news at the time, and even the term "The Great Depression" did not come into use until after the fact. The news of the day was all about celebrities and the well-to-do. I was driving through Ohio when I heard this piece. Even though I have thought of it regularly since then, at the time I had no idea that what I was hearing would become a reference point for me, else I would have at least jotted down the historian's name. I guess I was just proving that we can't recognize history until after the fact. About five years ago I heard a radio interview with a historian who had studied the news stories of the Great Depression. He was surprised to see that the bad economic news was not the focus of the news at the time, and even the term “The Great Depression” did not come into use until after the fact. The news of the day was all about celebrities and the well-to-do.

I was driving through Ohio when I heard this piece. Even though I have thought of it regularly since then, at the time I had no idea that what I was hearing would become a reference point for me, else I would have at least jotted down the historian’s name. I guess I was just proving that we can’t recognize history until after the fact.

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By: Jen H. in western Mass. http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4765 Jen H. in western Mass. Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:10:11 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4765 Wow, Sharon. This post is brilliant. I have been mulling over these themes of choice and reaction and history and open and closed doors for a long time now, in a muddled way, and you just wrote it all up so elegantly. People need to hear this. I am not surprised that interest in your writing is soaring. I am so grateful for your powerful voice and the impact you are having. I know my life is better and more inspired for having read your writings for years-- you renew my desire to live my values and try to alleviate suffering. Thank you for giving the world the gift of your voice. The path ahead may be rough but there is comfort in striving for clarity, striving to just plain do the right thing. Oh man, now I'm getting weepy and emotional. Sharon, thank you from the depths of my heart. Wow, Sharon. This post is brilliant. I have been mulling over these themes of choice and reaction and history and open and closed doors for a long time now, in a muddled way, and you just wrote it all up so elegantly. People need to hear this. I am not surprised that interest in your writing is soaring. I am so grateful for your powerful voice and the impact you are having. I know my life is better and more inspired for having read your writings for years– you renew my desire to live my values and try to alleviate suffering. Thank you for giving the world the gift of your voice. The path ahead may be rough but there is comfort in striving for clarity, striving to just plain do the right thing. Oh man, now I’m getting weepy and emotional. Sharon, thank you from the depths of my heart.

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By: equa yona http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4761 equa yona Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:39:36 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4761 Really beautiful piece of writing and thinking. Really beautiful piece of writing and thinking.

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By: Ailsa Ek http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4758 Ailsa Ek Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:17:47 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4758 I wonder, is there any movement to bring Haitian children here? I wonder, is there any movement to bring Haitian children here?

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By: Christina http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4750 Christina Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:21:40 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4750 Beautiful post! You are describing a dark piece of Europan history and you make me feel a bit ashamed - Sweden was one of the countries tha very reluctantly let German Jews in. Our government even requested that German authorities marked passports of Jews with a red "J", so they could be recognized (and denied entrance). But you are perfectly right. We are busy making history all the time but of course we can't foresee all the consequenses of our history-making. We can only hope that we choose wisely! Sending a 12-year old alone to London during the War beacause it might possibly save her life - now that's a tough decision. And today people from poor countries and war-zones send their children alone to Europe in hope of a better future for them. Some end up in my country - children and young teenagers, sometimes with no family and relatives at all here. May we never have to make choices like that! Beautiful post! You are describing a dark piece of Europan history and you make me feel a bit ashamed - Sweden was one of the countries tha very reluctantly let German Jews in. Our government even requested that German authorities marked passports of Jews with a red “J”, so they could be recognized (and denied entrance).

But you are perfectly right. We are busy making history all the time but of course we can’t foresee all the consequenses of our history-making. We can only hope that we choose wisely!

Sending a 12-year old alone to London during the War beacause it might possibly save her life - now that’s a tough decision. And today people from poor countries and war-zones send their children alone to Europe in hope of a better future for them. Some end up in my country - children and young teenagers, sometimes with no family and relatives at all here. May we never have to make choices like that!

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By: Squrrl http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4749 Squrrl Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:21:14 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4749 That may have been one of your best posts ever, actually. It sums up so much to me. It also gives me that much more courage to choose proactively instead of passively. Only one quibble--no matter what happens, I don't think I'll regret investing heavily in my home, my family, and my community instead of my hypothetical retirement. If things start to look better later, we can worry about savings then, but we'll still be glad to have all the things we're buying now. But I do know what you mean. You made me cry, but thanks anyway. ;-) That may have been one of your best posts ever, actually. It sums up so much to me. It also gives me that much more courage to choose proactively instead of passively. Only one quibble–no matter what happens, I don’t think I’ll regret investing heavily in my home, my family, and my community instead of my hypothetical retirement. If things start to look better later, we can worry about savings then, but we’ll still be glad to have all the things we’re buying now. But I do know what you mean.

You made me cry, but thanks anyway. ;-)

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By: Paul http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4747 Paul Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:58:03 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/25/three-mothers-and-the-fall-of-icarus/#comment-4747 Wow, an even better essay than your post from two days ago. This post has definitely had an even more calming effect on me. Thank you. Wow, an even better essay than your post from two days ago. This post has definitely had an even more calming effect on me. Thank you.

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