Comments on: Peak Energy and an Overview of Its Implications for Food http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/ Finding the keys to the future…and trying not to lose them in the mess. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:04:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dirk Bruehl http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5447 Dirk Bruehl Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:50:58 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5447 You have to understand Energy to get answers about the impact of Energy Plants on our environment. Converting Energy has never ever 100% Energy-Output. There is always waist in form of heat. Nuclear Power Plants have a lot of negative impacts on the environment, on our society and our next generations (after people who installed nuclear power plants passed away), but one negative impact only people know who really understand Energy: Nuclear Power Plants generate a lot of heat waist into the environment, directly heating up our environment. If you add up all the heating planned nuclear power plants will do, you will find out if next generations are still able to survive on this planet! Only converting Solar Energy (which is not only Photo-Voltaic, but Wind- and Hydro-Power, too) into electrical or mechanical energy will not heat up our atmosphere additionally! You have to understand Energy to get answers about the impact of Energy Plants on our environment.
Converting Energy has never ever 100% Energy-Output. There is always waist in form of heat. Nuclear Power Plants have a lot of negative impacts on the environment, on our society and our next generations (after people who installed nuclear power plants passed away), but one negative impact only people know who really understand Energy: Nuclear Power Plants generate a lot of heat waist into the environment, directly heating up our environment. If you add up all the heating planned nuclear power plants will do, you will find out if next generations are still able to survive on this planet!
Only converting Solar Energy (which is not only Photo-Voltaic, but Wind- and Hydro-Power, too) into electrical or mechanical energy will not heat up our atmosphere additionally!

]]> By: emergent ink / Transitioning to a Post Oil World http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5446 emergent ink / Transitioning to a Post Oil World Sat, 24 May 2008 21:55:56 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5446 [...] Sharon Astyk: Peak Energy and an Overview of Its Implications for Food [...] [...] Sharon Astyk: Peak Energy and an Overview of Its Implications for Food [...]

]]> By: Talking people down off of ledges « Scintillating Speck http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5445 Talking people down off of ledges « Scintillating Speck Fri, 23 May 2008 04:22:09 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5445 [...] now, I think, is talking people down off of ledges, as Sharon Astyk’s friend Aaron had to do recently.  This task, somehow, feels much more doable to me than sounding the alarm.  I didn’t [...] [...] now, I think, is talking people down off of ledges, as Sharon Astyk’s friend Aaron had to do recently.  This task, somehow, feels much more doable to me than sounding the alarm.  I didn’t [...]

]]> By: PostCarbon Rhode Island » Blog Archive » Robert Hirsch on CNBC http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5444 PostCarbon Rhode Island » Blog Archive » Robert Hirsch on CNBC Thu, 22 May 2008 17:19:18 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5444 [...] Colbert and Kunstler are great, but enough levity. This gave me chills. Hirsch says we will soon look at the prices we are paying at the pump today as “the good old days.” Watch this, and if this is new to you, Sharon Astyk has some great info for you. [...] [...] Colbert and Kunstler are great, but enough levity. This gave me chills. Hirsch says we will soon look at the prices we are paying at the pump today as “the good old days.” Watch this, and if this is new to you, Sharon Astyk has some great info for you. [...]

]]> By: rdheather http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5443 rdheather Thu, 22 May 2008 13:25:14 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5443 I heard on NPR's business report(?) this morning that the reason oil is so expensive is that not enough money's been thrown at the oil fields. head/desk with rolling eyes..... I heard on NPR’s business report(?) this morning that the reason oil is so expensive is that not enough money’s been thrown at the oil fields.

head/desk with rolling eyes…..

]]> By: Brad K. http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5442 Brad K. Thu, 22 May 2008 11:00:10 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5442 Sharon, I feel that you are playing word games here. The phrase you quoted, "Oil rises to $130 on supply concerns," is a technical term for money traders. Their concern is about their money. They care less about whether the resource runs short, as long as they are making money on whatever happens. When you use the term 'concern', it is because you are concerned about the impact of the end of plentiful oil. I think you are overlooking the likelihood that the most immediate effect will be regional and world wars. The money traders with 'concerns' will be looking for ways to make more money, and that has always been a major motivation for war. Sharon, I feel that you are playing word games here. The phrase you quoted, “Oil rises to $130 on supply concerns,” is a technical term for money traders.

Their concern is about their money. They care less about whether the resource runs short, as long as they are making money on whatever happens.

When you use the term ‘concern’, it is because you are concerned about the impact of the end of plentiful oil.

I think you are overlooking the likelihood that the most immediate effect will be regional and world wars. The money traders with ‘concerns’ will be looking for ways to make more money, and that has always been a major motivation for war.

]]> By: Megan http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5441 Megan Wed, 21 May 2008 22:40:28 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5441 Hey Hamsters and Sharon and others, there's a blurb in our online local paper today about our city council unanimously passing the creation of a peak oil task force in Bellingham to study energy issues and impact on our community. Go the Ham! There's not much to the story, just that it passed unanimously, but very interesting and I'm glad our town is looking at the issues! Hey Hamsters and Sharon and others, there’s a blurb in our online local paper today about our city council unanimously passing the creation of a peak oil task force in Bellingham to study energy issues and impact on our community. Go the Ham! There’s not much to the story, just that it passed unanimously, but very interesting and I’m glad our town is looking at the issues!

]]> By: Ailsa Ek http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5440 Ailsa Ek Wed, 21 May 2008 20:39:53 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5440 "So, in a hypothetical post-peak world, you’d just go ahead and kill by exile anyone who didn’t mesh with the community? I’m curious as to what standards you’d envision for ‘busing’ someone out into the wild." Seriously? OK. I'm not good at people either, so I can certainly see where the idea of getting shipped out if you won't shape up is frightening, but if people want to survive in community, sometimes individuals have to be encouraged to go elsewhere, even if they haven't got an "elsewhere" lined up to go. In a community, everyone is expected to contribute to the survival of the whole in some way. Remember the communist line, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs?" Well, unless you have a very good excuse (infant, very very old, etc.), you don't get to be all need and no ability. I had a roommate for a while who couldn't even hold down a temp job for a week, wanted me to keep him supplied with cheap vodka at all times, and refused to leave even when the landlord threatened to start eviction proceedings - and he has a long history of doing this, and is in fact still at it. Can you see a place for someone like that in a survival-level community, unless he's willing to do something like childcare or cleaning or something else useful but non-strenuous to let the more energetic people get other things done? “So, in a hypothetical post-peak world, you’d just go ahead and kill by exile anyone who didn’t mesh with the community? I’m curious as to what standards you’d envision for ‘busing’ someone out into the wild.”

Seriously? OK. I’m not good at people either, so I can certainly see where the idea of getting shipped out if you won’t shape up is frightening, but if people want to survive in community, sometimes individuals have to be encouraged to go elsewhere, even if they haven’t got an “elsewhere” lined up to go.

In a community, everyone is expected to contribute to the survival of the whole in some way. Remember the communist line, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs?” Well, unless you have a very good excuse (infant, very very old, etc.), you don’t get to be all need and no ability. I had a roommate for a while who couldn’t even hold down a temp job for a week, wanted me to keep him supplied with cheap vodka at all times, and refused to leave even when the landlord threatened to start eviction proceedings – and he has a long history of doing this, and is in fact still at it. Can you see a place for someone like that in a survival-level community, unless he’s willing to do something like childcare or cleaning or something else useful but non-strenuous to let the more energetic people get other things done?

]]> By: NM http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5439 NM Wed, 21 May 2008 20:27:34 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5439 Sharon, Thank you for another lucid explanation of the situation, and the timely reminder that losing the lifestyle we're accustomed to doesn't mean that life will not be good, and well worth living. Many of us need to hear that, again and again, and be reminded, often, that the work we do and the choices we make matter. I find myself constantly repeating your arguments to friends (less cogently than you, I'm sorry to say), and citing your blog. Coming here is much-needed reality check, since it contrasts so strongly with the astonishing non-awareness I see and hear otherwise. NPR just had a piece about the current economic situation in the United States, that concluded it's just a repeat of the 1970s. I missed the end, but DH found it reassuring. Augh. Oh, well — back to work. Sharon,
Thank you for another lucid explanation of the situation, and the timely reminder that losing the lifestyle we’re accustomed to doesn’t mean that life will not be good, and well worth living. Many of us need to hear that, again and again, and be reminded, often, that the work we do and the choices we make matter. I find myself constantly repeating your arguments to friends (less cogently than you, I’m sorry to say), and citing your blog. Coming here is much-needed reality check, since it contrasts so strongly with the astonishing non-awareness I see and hear otherwise. NPR just had a piece about the current economic situation in the United States, that concluded it’s just a repeat of the 1970s. I missed the end, but DH found it reassuring. Augh. Oh, well — back to work.

]]> By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/comment-page-1/#comment-5438 Sharon Wed, 21 May 2008 19:42:32 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2008/05/21/peak-energy-and-an-overview-of-its-implications-for-food/#comment-5438 I'm going to close the nuclear discussion down for now - and I'd like everyone to respect that decision. Jase, you've shown that you are available for comment on this issue most of the time, so I officially promise to run an appropriate post to get a discussion of nuclear started after I have the book, when I have the time to give the discussion my attention. Until then, I'd like there to be some hope that if there are people out there dealing with basic peak oil understanding issues, they'd feel free to ask questions about them. If you want to talk about the basics of peak oil, the post specific and anything relevant that isn't about nuclear, go ahead. But let's save the detailed nuclear discussion for a couple of weeks. Sharon I’m going to close the nuclear discussion down for now – and I’d like everyone to respect that decision. Jase, you’ve shown that you are available for comment on this issue most of the time, so I officially promise to run an appropriate post to get a discussion of nuclear started after I have the book, when I have the time to give the discussion my attention. Until then, I’d like there to be some hope that if there are people out there dealing with basic peak oil understanding issues, they’d feel free to ask questions about them.

If you want to talk about the basics of peak oil, the post specific and anything relevant that isn’t about nuclear, go ahead. But let’s save the detailed nuclear discussion for a couple of weeks.

Sharon

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