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		<title>By: MamaBird</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, love this post *and* fascinating comments. I like Ellyn Satter&#039;s books about introducing books but I am guessing that the folks with a lot of knowledge of food issues have already read her stuff. Particularly like her commentary about power relationships around food, as I am concerned about eating disorders and hope to help my 5yo girl retain a healthy relationship to food despite cultural madness around this topic. Snorting laughing at the &quot;finally appreciating rutabagas&quot; line! Let&#039;s just say that when I take the kids out of town, Pizza Slut does some fine business in my house. Things I have found helpful with my kids: understanding that there are genetic taste predispositions (my DD loved any and every vegetable and her little bro just ain&#039;t the same kid); growing food especially unusual and accessible kid-friendly food like edible flowers like a PP does, beets (my boy likes em raw!), carrots, cukes, surprisingly not tomatoes (too acidic?); involving them in cooking; feeding them the healthier food when they are starving; letting my DD rant about foods and leaving them around and making it possible for her to change her mind. That said, I have had all wholegrain stuff in the house since before they were born and I still see cultural influences creeping in (dreaded school lunches, my heart is with PP). I guess where I am at right now is being a #4 combined with a #5. Outside my house, I relax. If someone really cares about a particular food I wouldn&#039;t normally offer, I try to allow it infrequently but still allow it to take the allure out of it. Love this post so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, love this post *and* fascinating comments. I like Ellyn Satter&#8217;s books about introducing books but I am guessing that the folks with a lot of knowledge of food issues have already read her stuff. Particularly like her commentary about power relationships around food, as I am concerned about eating disorders and hope to help my 5yo girl retain a healthy relationship to food despite cultural madness around this topic. Snorting laughing at the &#8220;finally appreciating rutabagas&#8221; line! Let&#8217;s just say that when I take the kids out of town, Pizza Slut does some fine business in my house. Things I have found helpful with my kids: understanding that there are genetic taste predispositions (my DD loved any and every vegetable and her little bro just ain&#8217;t the same kid); growing food especially unusual and accessible kid-friendly food like edible flowers like a PP does, beets (my boy likes em raw!), carrots, cukes, surprisingly not tomatoes (too acidic?); involving them in cooking; feeding them the healthier food when they are starving; letting my DD rant about foods and leaving them around and making it possible for her to change her mind. That said, I have had all wholegrain stuff in the house since before they were born and I still see cultural influences creeping in (dreaded school lunches, my heart is with PP). I guess where I am at right now is being a #4 combined with a #5. Outside my house, I relax. If someone really cares about a particular food I wouldn&#8217;t normally offer, I try to allow it infrequently but still allow it to take the allure out of it. Love this post so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I myself am a Coeliac and have two children, one non-Coeliac, one Coeliac, and I can tell you from experience that it&#039;s not just &quot;psychotic&quot;, &quot;disturbed&quot; or even stressed kids who can be extreme food refusers - a child with a painful food intolerance will often reflexively refuse much food just because they fear the pain that might follow eating. My youngest was quite capable of going many days without eating anything unfamiliar or indeed anything at all other than carrots, brown rice and fish (not terrible foods, but not sufficient either) before her diagnosis.

Now that she (and I) are gluten-free and our guts have healed, both my kids are what I&#039;d call reasonable eaters. They will try any new thing presented to them - sometimes only one mouthful, granted, but they WILL try it. They eat a wide range of fruits in season and a pretty good range of vegetables, partly sourced from their aunt&#039;s garden or ours (I still have not had good luck with cabbage, though I will give the ketchup a try!) They eat my bulk storage staples like lentils, rice and various dried beans in lots of different dishes. I am confident that as supermarket / packaged food becomes more prohibitively expensive and less available, they will cope well with eating predominantly home, relative or locally sourced foodstuffs, and will not starve. My husband fishes weekly (successfully, usually) and we could all transition to fish only as animal protein if we had to (as it is we have very little red meat now).

Which is not to say that the store-bought ice-cream, fair-trade chocolate, convenience breakfast cereals and spicy sauces won&#039;t be missed, because they will. But starve we won&#039;t, well at least not from lack of willingess to eat what&#039;s available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I myself am a Coeliac and have two children, one non-Coeliac, one Coeliac, and I can tell you from experience that it&#8217;s not just &#8220;psychotic&#8221;, &#8220;disturbed&#8221; or even stressed kids who can be extreme food refusers &#8211; a child with a painful food intolerance will often reflexively refuse much food just because they fear the pain that might follow eating. My youngest was quite capable of going many days without eating anything unfamiliar or indeed anything at all other than carrots, brown rice and fish (not terrible foods, but not sufficient either) before her diagnosis.</p>
<p>Now that she (and I) are gluten-free and our guts have healed, both my kids are what I&#8217;d call reasonable eaters. They will try any new thing presented to them &#8211; sometimes only one mouthful, granted, but they WILL try it. They eat a wide range of fruits in season and a pretty good range of vegetables, partly sourced from their aunt&#8217;s garden or ours (I still have not had good luck with cabbage, though I will give the ketchup a try!) They eat my bulk storage staples like lentils, rice and various dried beans in lots of different dishes. I am confident that as supermarket / packaged food becomes more prohibitively expensive and less available, they will cope well with eating predominantly home, relative or locally sourced foodstuffs, and will not starve. My husband fishes weekly (successfully, usually) and we could all transition to fish only as animal protein if we had to (as it is we have very little red meat now).</p>
<p>Which is not to say that the store-bought ice-cream, fair-trade chocolate, convenience breakfast cereals and spicy sauces won&#8217;t be missed, because they will. But starve we won&#8217;t, well at least not from lack of willingess to eat what&#8217;s available.</p>
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		<title>By: annette</title>
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		<dc:creator>annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate - I totally relate.  My husband is 62 and severely diabetic, and insists on eating massive amounts of junk food.  I go to the farmers market and try to cook healthy, local, seasonal meals - he will eat some of it, but he complains a good bit, and he insists on running out to the local supermarket and buying junk food (I WILL NOT buy it!) . . .  So I&#039;ve given up.  I just try to remember that its his life, his choice to not take care of it, and try to take care of myself and not stress about it.  Easier said than done, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate &#8211; I totally relate.  My husband is 62 and severely diabetic, and insists on eating massive amounts of junk food.  I go to the farmers market and try to cook healthy, local, seasonal meals &#8211; he will eat some of it, but he complains a good bit, and he insists on running out to the local supermarket and buying junk food (I WILL NOT buy it!) . . .  So I&#8217;ve given up.  I just try to remember that its his life, his choice to not take care of it, and try to take care of myself and not stress about it.  Easier said than done, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: knutty knitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>knutty knitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greens mashed into potato with some spices are good. Strangely enough my picky eater loves his potato with parsley, grated onion and grated cheese (tasty stuff not &#039;soap&#039;). So does everyone else :) Last time I did that I added some broccoli - it looks a bit like parsley when mashed and it all got eaten - they even wanted 2nds but it was gone! (I also add a bit of cayenne and some salt. The onion is added grated but raw into the hot potato mix.)

viv in nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greens mashed into potato with some spices are good. Strangely enough my picky eater loves his potato with parsley, grated onion and grated cheese (tasty stuff not &#8216;soap&#8217;). So does everyone else <img src='http://sharonastyk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Last time I did that I added some broccoli &#8211; it looks a bit like parsley when mashed and it all got eaten &#8211; they even wanted 2nds but it was gone! (I also add a bit of cayenne and some salt. The onion is added grated but raw into the hot potato mix.)</p>
<p>viv in nz</p>
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		<title>By: MEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate,

I&#039;ve been thinking about your question, and I&#039;m not sure there is an answer. Does your 60 year old accept that there is going to be a time when M&amp;C isn&#039;t  going to be readily available? If he does, and isn&#039;t willing to start adapting now....

Sorry not to have an answer,

MEA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about your question, and I&#8217;m not sure there is an answer. Does your 60 year old accept that there is going to be a time when M&amp;C isn&#8217;t  going to be readily available? If he does, and isn&#8217;t willing to start adapting now&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sorry not to have an answer,</p>
<p>MEA</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Greenpa, way to weigh in that our kids are seriously fucked up.  &#039;Cause, of course, if they were anywhere even remotely near normal, they would do as you say.  Ouch.

I do understand what you are trying to say, and yes, it is annoying when people insist that you acknowledge the exceptions. And yet, sometimes it is worth doing so.  But sorry I didn&#039;t immediately leap the conclusion that when you used the term &quot;extreme psychosis&quot; you were talking about my kid, and the 1 in 200 kids broadly on the autism spectrum (not even remotely related to psychosis or mental illness).

Look, your point is well taken - it just isn&#039;t universal.  Appetite fatigue is real, and there is a huge range of responses to shock and disruption even in kids who are kinda typical.

Sharon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Greenpa, way to weigh in that our kids are seriously fucked up.  &#8216;Cause, of course, if they were anywhere even remotely near normal, they would do as you say.  Ouch.</p>
<p>I do understand what you are trying to say, and yes, it is annoying when people insist that you acknowledge the exceptions. And yet, sometimes it is worth doing so.  But sorry I didn&#8217;t immediately leap the conclusion that when you used the term &#8220;extreme psychosis&#8221; you were talking about my kid, and the 1 in 200 kids broadly on the autism spectrum (not even remotely related to psychosis or mental illness).</p>
<p>Look, your point is well taken &#8211; it just isn&#8217;t universal.  Appetite fatigue is real, and there is a huge range of responses to shock and disruption even in kids who are kinda typical.</p>
<p>Sharon</p>
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		<title>By: mea</title>
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		<dc:creator>mea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenpa -- I know you mean well, but honestly, do you think you are gaining points by tell us our kids are not normal?


Most of use who are raising a child with what I&#039;ll loosely call food issues are also raise other who eat normally -- and not just normal in the the run of the mill bad for us US diet. Yes, there are people who creat problems for themselves, but there are also children (and not just mentally ill ones) who have issues food that aren&#039;t solved by anything simple. Some of them could (as I did) benefit from the wisdom of those who gave gone down that path, as we try to increase variety of food our children eat, and others are facing a situtation that one one else here is facing, and are struggling on there own.


There is a theory, btw,that you may be aware off, that toddlers stop trying new foods at an age when, if were still all hunting and gathering, they&#039;d be starting to pick some of there own food. Makes sense, yes?

It&#039;s true, there is no point in panicing if a typically develping child won&#039;t try much variety in the way of food, and there are sensible tried and true methods for dealing with, all of which start, as you say, with don&#039;t panic.

But in order not to panic some of us need more at hand than the knowledge that most children won&#039;t starve themselves to death if they don&#039;t like lima beans.

MEA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenpa &#8212; I know you mean well, but honestly, do you think you are gaining points by tell us our kids are not normal?</p>
<p>Most of use who are raising a child with what I&#8217;ll loosely call food issues are also raise other who eat normally &#8212; and not just normal in the the run of the mill bad for us US diet. Yes, there are people who creat problems for themselves, but there are also children (and not just mentally ill ones) who have issues food that aren&#8217;t solved by anything simple. Some of them could (as I did) benefit from the wisdom of those who gave gone down that path, as we try to increase variety of food our children eat, and others are facing a situtation that one one else here is facing, and are struggling on there own.</p>
<p>There is a theory, btw,that you may be aware off, that toddlers stop trying new foods at an age when, if were still all hunting and gathering, they&#8217;d be starting to pick some of there own food. Makes sense, yes?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, there is no point in panicing if a typically develping child won&#8217;t try much variety in the way of food, and there are sensible tried and true methods for dealing with, all of which start, as you say, with don&#8217;t panic.</p>
<p>But in order not to panic some of us need more at hand than the knowledge that most children won&#8217;t starve themselves to death if they don&#8217;t like lima beans.</p>
<p>MEA</p>
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		<title>By: Leila Abu-Saba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila Abu-Saba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to chime in on the picky food thing. My special needs kid eats pretty well at home, but he got accustomed to eating school lunches back in pre-school days when they just gave him one, free, even though he wasn&#039;t there for lunch. We butted heads with him throughout kindergarten - eat the home lunch - I won&#039;t - and the school didn&#039;t help matters by letting him graze from the hot lunch line. He likes all the packaged goodies.

Then I got cancer, went to grad school, got a recurrence of cancer, etc. Along the way decided what the hell, let him eat the damn school lunch. He eats home-cooked food with us and his grandmas so he&#039;s eating fine otherwise.

But now he&#039;s at day camp all summer and he still refuses to eat what is in his lunchbox. If the camp counselor makes him a PBJ from her kitchen, he&#039;ll eat it, but he won&#039;t touch the PBJ I make him. He will eat that same pbj at home by the way. It&#039;s situational. I was taking the tack of - feed him a big breakfast, let him eat a huge dinner &amp; bedtime snack, and let him forage at camp for food he likes, even if it&#039;s junky.

I wasn&#039;t worried about any of it until his doc said he had lost weight and was too thin. (He is indeed skinny). Then he lost another two pounds after that, what with camp and everything.

This is all to say that I have succumbed. I buy my kid those packaged granola bars. I am sorry. THat&#039;s what I&#039;m doing. He also gets individual packages of raisins, and a box of juice, and a commercially made cookie.

If the Big Disaster hits I am pretty sure he&#039;ll eat my lentil soup, pasta, hummus - that&#039;s what we eat anyway. However since he is losing weight at the moment, and his doctor is concerned, I am not willing to say &quot;let him starve, he&#039;ll eat sometime.&quot; I used to believe that but now I see that it&#039;s possible for a healthy kid to actually lose weight out of sheer stubbornness. Oh yes and he&#039;s not happy that I&#039;m in chemo either so that adds to the stress. (no I&#039;m not losing weight)

If things get weird around here I am pretty confident my kids will eat all the beans, rice and burghul I have stockpiled. Also the canned corn etc. And they love canned sardines and tuna. For longterm disasters like TEOTWAWKI well they will adapt or not, won&#039;t they? I put my faith in God that all will be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to chime in on the picky food thing. My special needs kid eats pretty well at home, but he got accustomed to eating school lunches back in pre-school days when they just gave him one, free, even though he wasn&#8217;t there for lunch. We butted heads with him throughout kindergarten &#8211; eat the home lunch &#8211; I won&#8217;t &#8211; and the school didn&#8217;t help matters by letting him graze from the hot lunch line. He likes all the packaged goodies.</p>
<p>Then I got cancer, went to grad school, got a recurrence of cancer, etc. Along the way decided what the hell, let him eat the damn school lunch. He eats home-cooked food with us and his grandmas so he&#8217;s eating fine otherwise.</p>
<p>But now he&#8217;s at day camp all summer and he still refuses to eat what is in his lunchbox. If the camp counselor makes him a PBJ from her kitchen, he&#8217;ll eat it, but he won&#8217;t touch the PBJ I make him. He will eat that same pbj at home by the way. It&#8217;s situational. I was taking the tack of &#8211; feed him a big breakfast, let him eat a huge dinner &amp; bedtime snack, and let him forage at camp for food he likes, even if it&#8217;s junky.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t worried about any of it until his doc said he had lost weight and was too thin. (He is indeed skinny). Then he lost another two pounds after that, what with camp and everything.</p>
<p>This is all to say that I have succumbed. I buy my kid those packaged granola bars. I am sorry. THat&#8217;s what I&#8217;m doing. He also gets individual packages of raisins, and a box of juice, and a commercially made cookie.</p>
<p>If the Big Disaster hits I am pretty sure he&#8217;ll eat my lentil soup, pasta, hummus &#8211; that&#8217;s what we eat anyway. However since he is losing weight at the moment, and his doctor is concerned, I am not willing to say &#8220;let him starve, he&#8217;ll eat sometime.&#8221; I used to believe that but now I see that it&#8217;s possible for a healthy kid to actually lose weight out of sheer stubbornness. Oh yes and he&#8217;s not happy that I&#8217;m in chemo either so that adds to the stress. (no I&#8217;m not losing weight)</p>
<p>If things get weird around here I am pretty confident my kids will eat all the beans, rice and burghul I have stockpiled. Also the canned corn etc. And they love canned sardines and tuna. For longterm disasters like TEOTWAWKI well they will adapt or not, won&#8217;t they? I put my faith in God that all will be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if your picky toddler who only wants to eat macaroni cheese is almost 60 years old -- and insulin-dependent diabetic?

These kinds of food issues terrify me, and there is no way I can coax him to change or to hide anything remotely healthy in his food.  His not-so-tongue-in-cheek joke is that the only green thing that will ever pass his lips is Diet Mountain Dew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if your picky toddler who only wants to eat macaroni cheese is almost 60 years old &#8212; and insulin-dependent diabetic?</p>
<p>These kinds of food issues terrify me, and there is no way I can coax him to change or to hide anything remotely healthy in his food.  His not-so-tongue-in-cheek joke is that the only green thing that will ever pass his lips is Diet Mountain Dew.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosa- I&#039;m sorry for your situation- it has to be hell.  If you&#039;re an exception- then you are.  It&#039;s not fun; I&#039;ve been on the wrong end of strings of specialists myself; yep, they can be wrong.

But- for most parents- the first thing to try, is indeed to relax, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosa- I&#8217;m sorry for your situation- it has to be hell.  If you&#8217;re an exception- then you are.  It&#8217;s not fun; I&#8217;ve been on the wrong end of strings of specialists myself; yep, they can be wrong.</p>
<p>But- for most parents- the first thing to try, is indeed to relax, really.</p>
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