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	<title>Comments on: Ordinary Human Poverty</title>
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	<description>Finding the keys to the future…and trying not to lose them in the mess.</description>
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		<title>By: The Effects of Climate Change - a reality check &#124; Heresy Snowboarding</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/09/24/ordinary-human-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-9086</link>
		<dc:creator>The Effects of Climate Change - a reality check &#124; Heresy Snowboarding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what we&#8217;re talking about is a new age of humanity. Have a read of this. It seems hard to imagine, surrounded by iPods, TVs, cars - anything that we want, when we want - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what we&#8217;re talking about is a new age of humanity. Have a read of this. It seems hard to imagine, surrounded by iPods, TVs, cars &#8211; anything that we want, when we want &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cheritycall</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/09/24/ordinary-human-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-9085</link>
		<dc:creator>cheritycall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Do something to help those hungry people from Africa and India,
I created this blog about that subject:
at http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Do something to help those hungry people from Africa and India,<br />
I created this blog about that subject:<br />
at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Triumph of Distopian Naratives &#171; Strictly Free Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/09/24/ordinary-human-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-9084</link>
		<dc:creator>The Triumph of Distopian Naratives &#171; Strictly Free Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a somewhat depressing blog chain that went from Rod Dreher at Crunchy Conto Sharon Astyk at Casaubon&#8217;s Book, on to Dmitry Orlov at ClubOrlov. The discussion that is evolving among these various commentaters [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a somewhat depressing blog chain that went from Rod Dreher at Crunchy Conto Sharon Astyk at Casaubon&#8217;s Book, on to Dmitry Orlov at ClubOrlov. The discussion that is evolving among these various commentaters [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Poverty &#171; Strictly Free Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/09/24/ordinary-human-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-9083</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordinary Poverty &#171; Strictly Free Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Here&#8217;s a must read from Sharon Astyk at Casaubon&#8217;s Book.    Check out links in this article and her other blog posts too. I echo Rod Dreher&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    Here&#8217;s a must read from Sharon Astyk at Casaubon&#8217;s Book.    Check out links in this article and her other blog posts too. I echo Rod Dreher&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PostCarbon Rhode Island &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sharon Astyk: Ordinary Human Poverty</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/09/24/ordinary-human-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-9082</link>
		<dc:creator>PostCarbon Rhode Island &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sharon Astyk: Ordinary Human Poverty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and potential responses, that (surprise) require us to learn how to better work in community. Here&#8217;s the full article. The only way to live in the world of ordinary human poverty is to live there in a world where your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and potential responses, that (surprise) require us to learn how to better work in community. Here&#8217;s the full article. The only way to live in the world of ordinary human poverty is to live there in a world where your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart, not all poverty is relative. There is a kind of poverty where you routinely don&#039;t have enough to eat, where your kids are developmentally delayed by environmental poisons or hunger, where your teeth rot in your head and the bacteria from that give you meningitis or heart disease, where you walk on sprained or broken bones because if you don&#039;t go to work or haul wood you will starve or freeze - or, in an American city, because if you can&#039;t pretend all day to be housed you will be arrested and possibly beaten, but if you try to stay in the shelter after morning kickout you will be blackballed from the shelter system and not have anywhere safe and warm to sleep.

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Sharon is talking about, but it&#039;s important when we talk about this stuff not to forget that real, desperate, killing poverty exists, all around us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart, not all poverty is relative. There is a kind of poverty where you routinely don&#8217;t have enough to eat, where your kids are developmentally delayed by environmental poisons or hunger, where your teeth rot in your head and the bacteria from that give you meningitis or heart disease, where you walk on sprained or broken bones because if you don&#8217;t go to work or haul wood you will starve or freeze &#8211; or, in an American city, because if you can&#8217;t pretend all day to be housed you will be arrested and possibly beaten, but if you try to stay in the shelter after morning kickout you will be blackballed from the shelter system and not have anywhere safe and warm to sleep.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what Sharon is talking about, but it&#8217;s important when we talk about this stuff not to forget that real, desperate, killing poverty exists, all around us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Sharon.  I somehow found your new book in a small bookstore in rural Washington State while waiting for a ferry and have been very impressed some 200+ pages in.  You get it.  In a way that most of the prognosticators of the End do not.  I love your inherent optimism.  Derrick Jensen may be right, but I&#039;m not ready (nor does he seem to be), to commit my body to the worms.  I&#039;ll keep trying wherever these roads take us.

This collapse can be an opportunity for re-birth for many of us; a way to get back on track and reclaim what&#039;s important.

Unfortunately, there are going to be many who aren&#039;t so lucky.  The landless urban poor who left willingly or were forced off their ancestral lands over the past 10-30 years have no place to go and nothing to fall back on.  When the retail stores close, the factories aren&#039;t far behind.  And when left with no home to go home to, I fear for what that means for the millions who have their ability to eat staked on our constant consumption of their cheap labor and goods.  The ripple will be a tsunami.  From those struggling here with $7/hr retail jobs who can&#039;t find work to those subsisting on their $1.50/day from the shoe factory, it&#039;s going to get ugly for those already on the margins.

I&#039;ve got a secure job for the forseeable future.  I don&#039;t love it, but I can keep it to support my family.  I&#039;m downshifting like crazy to squirrel as much as I can away for the days to come, but at this hour, my notion of poverty is completely voluntary.

There are just so many sides to this mess.  I thank you for helping us think through it and consistently reminding us that despite every dark cloud on the horizon, you can still look towards the basics of human kindness to be a light in your life.  Love the ones your with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Sharon.  I somehow found your new book in a small bookstore in rural Washington State while waiting for a ferry and have been very impressed some 200+ pages in.  You get it.  In a way that most of the prognosticators of the End do not.  I love your inherent optimism.  Derrick Jensen may be right, but I&#8217;m not ready (nor does he seem to be), to commit my body to the worms.  I&#8217;ll keep trying wherever these roads take us.</p>
<p>This collapse can be an opportunity for re-birth for many of us; a way to get back on track and reclaim what&#8217;s important.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are going to be many who aren&#8217;t so lucky.  The landless urban poor who left willingly or were forced off their ancestral lands over the past 10-30 years have no place to go and nothing to fall back on.  When the retail stores close, the factories aren&#8217;t far behind.  And when left with no home to go home to, I fear for what that means for the millions who have their ability to eat staked on our constant consumption of their cheap labor and goods.  The ripple will be a tsunami.  From those struggling here with $7/hr retail jobs who can&#8217;t find work to those subsisting on their $1.50/day from the shoe factory, it&#8217;s going to get ugly for those already on the margins.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a secure job for the forseeable future.  I don&#8217;t love it, but I can keep it to support my family.  I&#8217;m downshifting like crazy to squirrel as much as I can away for the days to come, but at this hour, my notion of poverty is completely voluntary.</p>
<p>There are just so many sides to this mess.  I thank you for helping us think through it and consistently reminding us that despite every dark cloud on the horizon, you can still look towards the basics of human kindness to be a light in your life.  Love the ones your with.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that hasn&#039;t been mentioned - &quot;poverty&quot; is a social category.

In the rich and ostentatious city where I currently live, we are &quot;poor&quot;, living a simple, unglamorous life.

If we were in a blue collar neighborhood of the 50s, we&#039;d fit right in.

If we lived in most parts of the Third World, we would be wealthy.

I&#039;ve found that the pain of poverty has everything to do with being the butt of snobbishness and an unresponsive government.

Bart / Energy Bulletin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that hasn&#8217;t been mentioned &#8211; &#8220;poverty&#8221; is a social category.</p>
<p>In the rich and ostentatious city where I currently live, we are &#8220;poor&#8221;, living a simple, unglamorous life.</p>
<p>If we were in a blue collar neighborhood of the 50s, we&#8217;d fit right in.</p>
<p>If we lived in most parts of the Third World, we would be wealthy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that the pain of poverty has everything to do with being the butt of snobbishness and an unresponsive government.</p>
<p>Bart / Energy Bulletin</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is!
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is!<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: MEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Elizabeth. Gotcha.

BTW, your courner of WV sounds very nice.

MEA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Elizabeth. Gotcha.</p>
<p>BTW, your courner of WV sounds very nice.</p>
<p>MEA</p>
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