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		<title>By: surveys free stuff</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-101662</link>
		<dc:creator>surveys free stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I originally commented I seem to have clicked the -Notify me when new comments are added- checkbox and from now on every time a comment is added I get 4 emails with the same comment. Perhaps there is a way you are able to remove me from that service? Kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I originally commented I seem to have clicked the -Notify me when new comments are added- checkbox and from now on every time a comment is added I get 4 emails with the same comment. Perhaps there is a way you are able to remove me from that service? Kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: No. Just no. &#124; Transition Bristol</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11425</link>
		<dc:creator>No. Just no. &#124; Transition Bristol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11424</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no question that our country is living through difficult times.  The fallout from living beyond our means was bound to happen sooner or later.  I, for one, am glad that it is sooner, rather than later, because the sooner we understand the errors of our ways, the greater the possibility that we can do something about it.  Making changes within a society as complex as ours is really, really hard.  Our prophets might have predicted the current crisis, but it takes other people a lot longer for the reality to sink in.  The reality is, I think, beginning to sink in for many of us, and although the jury is still out as to whether we can successfully make the transition to a sustainable society, there are signs that people are beginning to care more and more.  A failure is not pre-ordained; there is nothing out there in the universe that says that America has to collapse.  We might have to learn to live within our means, and to share the world&#039;s resources more equitably with our neighbors, and to develop new ways of forming communities, but there is NOTHING that says our future has to be as bleak as some have predicted.  Without a doubt the possibility of collapse is real, but I also have 3 kids that I feel responsible for having brought into this world, and I for one can think of no other goal more worthy and important than trying to help our country make a difficult, but necessary transition to a healthier future.   Don&#039;t we owe at least this to those whom we love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no question that our country is living through difficult times.  The fallout from living beyond our means was bound to happen sooner or later.  I, for one, am glad that it is sooner, rather than later, because the sooner we understand the errors of our ways, the greater the possibility that we can do something about it.  Making changes within a society as complex as ours is really, really hard.  Our prophets might have predicted the current crisis, but it takes other people a lot longer for the reality to sink in.  The reality is, I think, beginning to sink in for many of us, and although the jury is still out as to whether we can successfully make the transition to a sustainable society, there are signs that people are beginning to care more and more.  A failure is not pre-ordained; there is nothing out there in the universe that says that America has to collapse.  We might have to learn to live within our means, and to share the world&#8217;s resources more equitably with our neighbors, and to develop new ways of forming communities, but there is NOTHING that says our future has to be as bleak as some have predicted.  Without a doubt the possibility of collapse is real, but I also have 3 kids that I feel responsible for having brought into this world, and I for one can think of no other goal more worthy and important than trying to help our country make a difficult, but necessary transition to a healthier future.   Don&#8217;t we owe at least this to those whom we love?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11423</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a problem, the world&#039;s population is rushing to urbanise.  Small rural farms are shut down, as people are attracted by the wealth to manufacture cheap goods that noboby needs.  They loose farming skill, and become dependant on imports.  Places that export food, ruin their land in vast monocultures and become chemical reliant.  The water is sucked out of dams and rivers, the salt rises, the water table becomes harder to access.

And to think we got into debt to fund this massive waste of consumerisum, and to rob the future generations.

Population control is the answer, and people don&#039;t like it.  And because we the people don&#039;t like it, and won&#039;t act, the decision will be made for us, whether as in natural (famine, fatal contangous viruses) or war (more likely, competition for sparse resources ).  It&#039;s going to be hard, it&#039;s going to be awful.  As this golden age comes to an end (well, golden for us in the West...those in a more primitive techolongical independant society will ride this out and become strong, but there isn&#039;t many left.) we&#039;ll left to deal with what many historic societies had to deal with...basic survival at the cost of others.

It might be at the cost of your nieghbours (food riots) or other countries (go in there, and take their water at any cost, cause we&#039;re dying), it shall be interesting.  Hopefully many generations later, the resources will exist and structures will be still intact, to do a solid case study.  Maybe mankind will finally mature.  But I doubt it.  Greed(which got us into this mess), is a primative behaviour instilled into the human race, and for very good reason.

I&#039;ll never have children for this reason.  I&#039;ll certainly make myself as useful to my community as possible during this miserable time.  However, I prefer to roll over and die, then live over someone elses life.  If I die, and this doesn&#039;t become true, then I&#039;ll die a happy man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a problem, the world&#8217;s population is rushing to urbanise.  Small rural farms are shut down, as people are attracted by the wealth to manufacture cheap goods that noboby needs.  They loose farming skill, and become dependant on imports.  Places that export food, ruin their land in vast monocultures and become chemical reliant.  The water is sucked out of dams and rivers, the salt rises, the water table becomes harder to access.</p>
<p>And to think we got into debt to fund this massive waste of consumerisum, and to rob the future generations.</p>
<p>Population control is the answer, and people don&#8217;t like it.  And because we the people don&#8217;t like it, and won&#8217;t act, the decision will be made for us, whether as in natural (famine, fatal contangous viruses) or war (more likely, competition for sparse resources ).  It&#8217;s going to be hard, it&#8217;s going to be awful.  As this golden age comes to an end (well, golden for us in the West&#8230;those in a more primitive techolongical independant society will ride this out and become strong, but there isn&#8217;t many left.) we&#8217;ll left to deal with what many historic societies had to deal with&#8230;basic survival at the cost of others.</p>
<p>It might be at the cost of your nieghbours (food riots) or other countries (go in there, and take their water at any cost, cause we&#8217;re dying), it shall be interesting.  Hopefully many generations later, the resources will exist and structures will be still intact, to do a solid case study.  Maybe mankind will finally mature.  But I doubt it.  Greed(which got us into this mess), is a primative behaviour instilled into the human race, and for very good reason.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never have children for this reason.  I&#8217;ll certainly make myself as useful to my community as possible during this miserable time.  However, I prefer to roll over and die, then live over someone elses life.  If I die, and this doesn&#8217;t become true, then I&#8217;ll die a happy man.</p>
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		<title>By: WTV.nl</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11422</link>
		<dc:creator>WTV.nl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good post! Inspriring too...

I&#039;ve read the Trends Journal 2008 summer and autumn isssues because I have subscribed to a download edition. I was struck by the Trends Journal forecast content, which is much more like that of Jim Kunstler&#039;s &quot;World Made by Hand&quot; than that of &quot;competing&quot; views, e.g., John Michael Greer&#039;s &quot;The Long Descent&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good post! Inspriring too&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the Trends Journal 2008 summer and autumn isssues because I have subscribed to a download edition. I was struck by the Trends Journal forecast content, which is much more like that of Jim Kunstler&#8217;s &#8220;World Made by Hand&#8221; than that of &#8220;competing&#8221; views, e.g., John Michael Greer&#8217;s &#8220;The Long Descent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2008/12/04/no-just-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of an Indigo Girls song that I love...

From &quot;A Hammer and a Nail&quot;

My life is part of the global life
I found myself becoming more immobile
When I think a little girl in the world can&#039;t do anything
A distant nation my community
A street person my responsibility
If I have a care in the world I have a gift to bring</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of an Indigo Girls song that I love&#8230;</p>
<p>From &#8220;A Hammer and a Nail&#8221;</p>
<p>My life is part of the global life<br />
I found myself becoming more immobile<br />
When I think a little girl in the world can&#8217;t do anything<br />
A distant nation my community<br />
A street person my responsibility<br />
If I have a care in the world I have a gift to bring</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie NW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly an inspiring post Sharon.

Sometimes, while studying these issues of energy, environment and economy, I find myself feeling like the situation is hopeless for our society, and I don&#039;t care for that feeling. The alternative I come up with, usually has to do with sticking my head in the sand - which I have a very difficult time doing. Anyway, writing like this inspires me in a different direction, one where I can face the reality of our perilous situation, and have hope for the future of OUR world at the same time. Irrational?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly an inspiring post Sharon.</p>
<p>Sometimes, while studying these issues of energy, environment and economy, I find myself feeling like the situation is hopeless for our society, and I don&#8217;t care for that feeling. The alternative I come up with, usually has to do with sticking my head in the sand &#8211; which I have a very difficult time doing. Anyway, writing like this inspires me in a different direction, one where I can face the reality of our perilous situation, and have hope for the future of OUR world at the same time. Irrational?</p>
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		<title>By: leeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>leeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta wipe off the keyboard now.  I&#039;m a vegetable farmer, and I live sorta close to Sharon.  Vt. Some of the same Ag challenges anyway.  Tomorrow is the first day of our winter farmers market.  I gotta price my product for what its worth just to stay afloat and some folks won&#039;t be able to afford it.  But I decided a while ago that if my neighbors are hungry, then by damn they will get fed as long as I can feed them. And I&#039;m NEVER &quot;patriotic&quot;.  Ugh.  But my intuition is that there is this dormant spirit in the USA of joining together at these times and figuring it out together.  Thats patriotism.  Or compatriotism.  Cheers folks.  These are amazing times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta wipe off the keyboard now.  I&#8217;m a vegetable farmer, and I live sorta close to Sharon.  Vt. Some of the same Ag challenges anyway.  Tomorrow is the first day of our winter farmers market.  I gotta price my product for what its worth just to stay afloat and some folks won&#8217;t be able to afford it.  But I decided a while ago that if my neighbors are hungry, then by damn they will get fed as long as I can feed them. And I&#8217;m NEVER &#8220;patriotic&#8221;.  Ugh.  But my intuition is that there is this dormant spirit in the USA of joining together at these times and figuring it out together.  Thats patriotism.  Or compatriotism.  Cheers folks.  These are amazing times.</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading for a while but this is the post that hooked me over.

I&#039;ve been shouting, &#039;No, Just no&#039;, for a long long time, in the global sense. That we stuff our faces and leave food to waste whilst millions of people, including children, go hungry across the world is a source of great sadness to me.

Perhaps America needs this? In a Universe Learning type of way. It was those that lived through the G.Depression that understood the value of &#039;stuff&#039; and what really mattered. The sickening levels of consumerism, and above all, the blind apathy, needs a swift kick up the bum. Because only a small handful seem to be &#039;getting it&#039;. Hence the denial admist a recession.

Sometimes you need to go hungry yourself to appreciate your neighbour&#039;s plight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading for a while but this is the post that hooked me over.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been shouting, &#8216;No, Just no&#8217;, for a long long time, in the global sense. That we stuff our faces and leave food to waste whilst millions of people, including children, go hungry across the world is a source of great sadness to me.</p>
<p>Perhaps America needs this? In a Universe Learning type of way. It was those that lived through the G.Depression that understood the value of &#8216;stuff&#8217; and what really mattered. The sickening levels of consumerism, and above all, the blind apathy, needs a swift kick up the bum. Because only a small handful seem to be &#8216;getting it&#8217;. Hence the denial admist a recession.</p>
<p>Sometimes you need to go hungry yourself to appreciate your neighbour&#8217;s plight.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaunta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaunta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community is the hardest part of the equation for me. I&#039;m almost painfully shy, which over the years I&#039;ve learned to mask pretty well but it shines through to anyone who notices that I have only one close friend. My nature is to be at home with my family. People I feel comfortable with.

To make matters worse, in the work that I do I&#039;m actually ethically and in some instances legally bound NOT to form close ties with the people I spend the most time with. I&#039;m a drug counselor, and having &quot;dual relationships&quot; is a huge no-no because of the enormous imbalance of power. Not only between a counselor and her current clients...but once a client, always a client. I&#039;m ethically bound to NEVER do business with, or barter with, or trade with, etc. etc....anyone who has EVER been my client. And really, their immediate family as well. My county has less than 10,000 people in it and being surrounded by 250 miles all around of Nevada mountains has to be one of the most isolated places in America. You can see how that limits my relationships.  Which sucks, because I have a client who keeps trying to talk me into letting him install a wood stove in my house. *sigh*

So I&#039;m doing my best to help my clients learn how to form a community themselves. After every group session we have a few minutes where anyone who needs help or has something to offer can pipe up. We call it barn raising. Sometimes my clients slip and are sentenced to a few hours of community service. I&#039;m going to see if I can talk the judge into letting them into working at our building for that service and put them to work digging a garden. And I really do believe I&#039;m doing my part by helping to send healthier, drug and alcohol free people back out into the community. They also have high school diplomas when they leave me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community is the hardest part of the equation for me. I&#8217;m almost painfully shy, which over the years I&#8217;ve learned to mask pretty well but it shines through to anyone who notices that I have only one close friend. My nature is to be at home with my family. People I feel comfortable with.</p>
<p>To make matters worse, in the work that I do I&#8217;m actually ethically and in some instances legally bound NOT to form close ties with the people I spend the most time with. I&#8217;m a drug counselor, and having &#8220;dual relationships&#8221; is a huge no-no because of the enormous imbalance of power. Not only between a counselor and her current clients&#8230;but once a client, always a client. I&#8217;m ethically bound to NEVER do business with, or barter with, or trade with, etc. etc&#8230;.anyone who has EVER been my client. And really, their immediate family as well. My county has less than 10,000 people in it and being surrounded by 250 miles all around of Nevada mountains has to be one of the most isolated places in America. You can see how that limits my relationships.  Which sucks, because I have a client who keeps trying to talk me into letting him install a wood stove in my house. *sigh*</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m doing my best to help my clients learn how to form a community themselves. After every group session we have a few minutes where anyone who needs help or has something to offer can pipe up. We call it barn raising. Sometimes my clients slip and are sentenced to a few hours of community service. I&#8217;m going to see if I can talk the judge into letting them into working at our building for that service and put them to work digging a garden. And I really do believe I&#8217;m doing my part by helping to send healthier, drug and alcohol free people back out into the community. They also have high school diplomas when they leave me.</p>
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