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		<title>By: Casaubons Book Blog Archive He Was Magnificent: What You Can &#8230; &#124; Elderly Golden Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casaubons Book Blog Archive He Was Magnificent: What You Can &#8230; &#124; Elderly Golden Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Someone I&#8217;ve heard of put an intriguing blog post on Casaubons Book Blog Archive He Was Magnificent: What You Can &#8230;Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All child birth is natural until it is given over to the &quot;experts&#039;. When I was present for the birth of my daughter I was merely a spectator. I can only assume the doctor had more important things to do as she unceremoniously hauled my daughter into the world using forceps. Ever since that event I have observed all so called experts with a healthy dose of skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All child birth is natural until it is given over to the &#8220;experts&#8217;. When I was present for the birth of my daughter I was merely a spectator. I can only assume the doctor had more important things to do as she unceremoniously hauled my daughter into the world using forceps. Ever since that event I have observed all so called experts with a healthy dose of skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: nika</title>
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		<dc:creator>nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WIth my second, we were going to have a doula for early labor and then assistance at the hospital - we expressed our usual concern that we might have some sort of emergency that would make for an interesting drive to the hospital which was some 30 miles away or so.  MY husband said &quot;Hey, I fear, at worst, cord prolapse&quot; - damn doula took the $50 deposit and then &quot;fired&quot; us because she was freaked out about it.

I ended up learning hypnobirthing and then when the time came we did have an emergency - placental abruption - I wasnt going to let anyone get between me and the hospital (amazon reaction) so I drove myself and my husband - good thing it was the middle of the night.

ANYWAYS - in the end- the baby came out - NICU docs took good care of her (had to revive her and put in two IV lines etc) and we ended up facing the worst and came out ok - puts a lot into perspective!

I am deeply thankful I never delivered in a car.. its hard enough to labor in the car on the way to the hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WIth my second, we were going to have a doula for early labor and then assistance at the hospital &#8211; we expressed our usual concern that we might have some sort of emergency that would make for an interesting drive to the hospital which was some 30 miles away or so.  MY husband said &#8220;Hey, I fear, at worst, cord prolapse&#8221; &#8211; damn doula took the $50 deposit and then &#8220;fired&#8221; us because she was freaked out about it.</p>
<p>I ended up learning hypnobirthing and then when the time came we did have an emergency &#8211; placental abruption &#8211; I wasnt going to let anyone get between me and the hospital (amazon reaction) so I drove myself and my husband &#8211; good thing it was the middle of the night.</p>
<p>ANYWAYS &#8211; in the end- the baby came out &#8211; NICU docs took good care of her (had to revive her and put in two IV lines etc) and we ended up facing the worst and came out ok &#8211; puts a lot into perspective!</p>
<p>I am deeply thankful I never delivered in a car.. its hard enough to labor in the car on the way to the hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, as I heard the news about the plane crashing / landing in the Hudson River, your post is what I thought of.  People acting calmly to get everyone out. A pilot and crew doing an amazing job that they probably never believed they would need to do. Women, children and elderly being taken care of first.  (I&#039;m a little mixed on the women first, but I appreciate it.)

And I am listening to the Larry King coverage, where the Aviation Safety Expert, who said that the pilots generally remain calm because of the &quot;training, experience and education.&quot;  Everyone&#039;s training, experience and education comes in a different form.

I certainly think that applies to what you promote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, as I heard the news about the plane crashing / landing in the Hudson River, your post is what I thought of.  People acting calmly to get everyone out. A pilot and crew doing an amazing job that they probably never believed they would need to do. Women, children and elderly being taken care of first.  (I&#8217;m a little mixed on the women first, but I appreciate it.)</p>
<p>And I am listening to the Larry King coverage, where the Aviation Safety Expert, who said that the pilots generally remain calm because of the &#8220;training, experience and education.&#8221;  Everyone&#8217;s training, experience and education comes in a different form.</p>
<p>I certainly think that applies to what you promote.</p>
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		<title>By: MEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congraulations to all concerned.


Having never given birth, but having read a great deal about the subject (WHO has lots of good info), I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that most births just take place, and women don&#039;t need a lot of intervention, but a skilled midwife can coax out babies that might otherwise be stuck. (An unskilled one an kill the mother and child.) The outcome is a lot better if a woman has an unpaniced and supportive compaion, even if untrained. And it&#039;s really really really a bad idea to give birth totally alone (even if you feel it is very impowering). If you bleed out or have a stroke there is no one there to care for in infant -- and if it&#039;s hours before you are found the baby (not to mention you) might be dead.

Just as funny story, when I was born -- at my parents home in England, my grandmother who thought she was calling the midwife got in to an arguement with the man who answered the phone -- turned out she&#039;d called the waterboard. Nurse Brown didn&#039;t have time to take off her hat or coat -- but did stay long enough to wash me and make sure my mother was given a cup of tea. When my brother was born 2 years later, things went so fast that he was born before anyone (inc. my mother) realized what has happening -- along the lines of &quot;I felt a contraction and thought I should being timing them because things went so fast last time and then there was another, and there was the baby.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congraulations to all concerned.</p>
<p>Having never given birth, but having read a great deal about the subject (WHO has lots of good info), I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that most births just take place, and women don&#8217;t need a lot of intervention, but a skilled midwife can coax out babies that might otherwise be stuck. (An unskilled one an kill the mother and child.) The outcome is a lot better if a woman has an unpaniced and supportive compaion, even if untrained. And it&#8217;s really really really a bad idea to give birth totally alone (even if you feel it is very impowering). If you bleed out or have a stroke there is no one there to care for in infant &#8212; and if it&#8217;s hours before you are found the baby (not to mention you) might be dead.</p>
<p>Just as funny story, when I was born &#8212; at my parents home in England, my grandmother who thought she was calling the midwife got in to an arguement with the man who answered the phone &#8212; turned out she&#8217;d called the waterboard. Nurse Brown didn&#8217;t have time to take off her hat or coat &#8212; but did stay long enough to wash me and make sure my mother was given a cup of tea. When my brother was born 2 years later, things went so fast that he was born before anyone (inc. my mother) realized what has happening &#8212; along the lines of &#8220;I felt a contraction and thought I should being timing them because things went so fast last time and then there was another, and there was the baby.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz in Australia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz in Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son was born at home 14mos ago in a planned freebirth (aka unassisted birth). My husband didn&#039;t &quot;deliver&quot; the baby: I gave birth to him, and so did your friend. The idea that babies have to be &quot;delivered&quot; and that everyone except the mother has an active role to play is another layer infantilising women and separating us from the understanding of what we are able to accomplish when we need to. Might be worth unpacking a little further given the direction of your argument, which apart from this point, I totally agree with :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son was born at home 14mos ago in a planned freebirth (aka unassisted birth). My husband didn&#8217;t &#8220;deliver&#8221; the baby: I gave birth to him, and so did your friend. The idea that babies have to be &#8220;delivered&#8221; and that everyone except the mother has an active role to play is another layer infantilising women and separating us from the understanding of what we are able to accomplish when we need to. Might be worth unpacking a little further given the direction of your argument, which apart from this point, I totally agree with <img src='http://sharonastyk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon,

Thanks for such a wonderful and inspiring essay -- I will make sure Chris reads it as well.

And thank you all for all of your well wishes and congratulations.  Noah is doing beautifully and we are all resting peacefully at home and getting to know this newest little member of our family.

                     -Bess  (and Chris, Ira, Inanna, and Noah)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,</p>
<p>Thanks for such a wonderful and inspiring essay &#8212; I will make sure Chris reads it as well.</p>
<p>And thank you all for all of your well wishes and congratulations.  Noah is doing beautifully and we are all resting peacefully at home and getting to know this newest little member of our family.</p>
<p>                     -Bess  (and Chris, Ira, Inanna, and Noah)</p>
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		<title>By: jyotsna</title>
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		<dc:creator>jyotsna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sharon,

What a beautiful story.  It happens alot more than we all know.  And, instead of a great organic toy, I hope you are starting the baby with his or her own storage of food.  BAbyfood,  rice (which can be ground), wheat which can be ground, and maybe a good book on breastfeeding (Sears) to the mom, for continuous milk making.

Have fun visiting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sharon,</p>
<p>What a beautiful story.  It happens alot more than we all know.  And, instead of a great organic toy, I hope you are starting the baby with his or her own storage of food.  BAbyfood,  rice (which can be ground), wheat which can be ground, and maybe a good book on breastfeeding (Sears) to the mom, for continuous milk making.</p>
<p>Have fun visiting!</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!  I have always thought this.  We can do what we must WHEN we must.  And many folks have different levels of when the &quot;must do&quot; time is.  But in the end, I think most people are programmed to rise up instead of lay down and die.

Very inspirational!
Have a great weekend and keep warm!  I know what it&#039;s like....the kids will get stir crazy.  Mine are so happy to be able to play outside again yesterday and today.
Shells</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  I have always thought this.  We can do what we must WHEN we must.  And many folks have different levels of when the &#8220;must do&#8221; time is.  But in the end, I think most people are programmed to rise up instead of lay down and die.</p>
<p>Very inspirational!<br />
Have a great weekend and keep warm!  I know what it&#8217;s like&#8230;.the kids will get stir crazy.  Mine are so happy to be able to play outside again yesterday and today.<br />
Shells</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rebecca above, I actually did a paper on this topic many years ago as a college term paper.  Midwives in Puritan America were demonized by the doctors of the day, who set out deliberately to discredit the midwives in order to take over their position as caretakers of women&#039;s health.  They were successful, obviously, and the roots of looking at childbirth as a medical issue rather than an natural process took hold.

When you standardize for higher risk births taking place mainly with physicians now, both the Puritan midwives and modern midwives have a much, much lower rate of complications and infections than the doctors do.  I firmly believe it is because midwives&#039; philosophy is to let the mothers do what they do, and to intervene only when absolutely necessary, and only with the level of intervention necessary to allow things to proceed.

With my middle son, I had a midwife and a hospital birth.  I am fairly certain that if I had had an OB he would have been a cesaerian birth; thanks to Kathy, we had patience and ingenuity, and a vaginal birth.

With my youngest son, I lived in a very small town and had one of those doctors who presumed to tell me exactly what he would and would not allow me to do during MY labor.  Well, it truly was not planned, but my son was born at home (4 blocks from the hospital no less).  My family has a history of precipitous labors, and I held true to the family history -- 2 1/2 hours of labor total.  I delivered him in the bathroom standing up, and caught him myself.  Not the way I would have preferred him to be born at home, but infinitely better than the alternative!

And congratulations to Noah&#039;s family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rebecca above, I actually did a paper on this topic many years ago as a college term paper.  Midwives in Puritan America were demonized by the doctors of the day, who set out deliberately to discredit the midwives in order to take over their position as caretakers of women&#8217;s health.  They were successful, obviously, and the roots of looking at childbirth as a medical issue rather than an natural process took hold.</p>
<p>When you standardize for higher risk births taking place mainly with physicians now, both the Puritan midwives and modern midwives have a much, much lower rate of complications and infections than the doctors do.  I firmly believe it is because midwives&#8217; philosophy is to let the mothers do what they do, and to intervene only when absolutely necessary, and only with the level of intervention necessary to allow things to proceed.</p>
<p>With my middle son, I had a midwife and a hospital birth.  I am fairly certain that if I had had an OB he would have been a cesaerian birth; thanks to Kathy, we had patience and ingenuity, and a vaginal birth.</p>
<p>With my youngest son, I lived in a very small town and had one of those doctors who presumed to tell me exactly what he would and would not allow me to do during MY labor.  Well, it truly was not planned, but my son was born at home (4 blocks from the hospital no less).  My family has a history of precipitous labors, and I held true to the family history &#8212; 2 1/2 hours of labor total.  I delivered him in the bathroom standing up, and caught him myself.  Not the way I would have preferred him to be born at home, but infinitely better than the alternative!</p>
<p>And congratulations to Noah&#8217;s family!</p>
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