Comments on: Evil Parasitic Caterpillar that has Been Eating Thomas Friedman’s Brain Finally Dies! http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:17:55 +0000 #?v=2.3.2 By: Leila Abu-Saba http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18106 Leila Abu-Saba Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:22:39 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18106 NeoLotus - I thought everybody on this blog has read Small is Beautiful? That and Diet for a Small Planet were part of the zeitgeist of my childhood. Even if you hadn't read them, your grown-ups had, and you breathed their atmosphere. NeoLotus - I thought everybody on this blog has read Small is Beautiful? That and Diet for a Small Planet were part of the zeitgeist of my childhood. Even if you hadn’t read them, your grown-ups had, and you breathed their atmosphere.

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By: Jerah http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18088 Jerah Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:02:51 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18088 Oh, and apparently he wrote a new one for "Hot, Flat and Crowded": http://www.nypress.com/article-19271-flat-n-all-that.html I'm crying, I'm laughing so hard. The take-away quote, on Friedman changing his mind about unlimited growth and becoming an "environmentalist": "But better late than never, I suppose. Or as Friedman might say, “Better two cell phones than a fish in your zipper.” " Oh, and apparently he wrote a new one for “Hot, Flat and Crowded”:
http://www.nypress.com/article-19271-flat-n-all-that.html

I’m crying, I’m laughing so hard.

The take-away quote, on Friedman changing his mind about unlimited growth and becoming an “environmentalist”:

“But better late than never, I suppose. Or as Friedman might say, “Better two cell phones than a fish in your zipper.” “

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By: Jerah http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18087 Jerah Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:35:35 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18087 I cannot STAND Friedman. I once had to transcribe a whole speech of his - I almost choked on all the convoluted, meaningless, mangled metaphors. He managed to describe Israeli/Palestinian peace negotiations using the image of a coffee cup, a conference table, and a dog. It was awful. He is such an idiot, I doubt he even noticed that he's contradicting himself on the idea of growth... Here's the most hilarious lampooning of "friedmanese", courtesy of Matt Taibbi: http://www.nypress.com/article-11419-flathead.html I cannot STAND Friedman. I once had to transcribe a whole speech of his - I almost choked on all the convoluted, meaningless, mangled metaphors. He managed to describe Israeli/Palestinian peace negotiations using the image of a coffee cup, a conference table, and a dog. It was awful.

He is such an idiot, I doubt he even noticed that he’s contradicting himself on the idea of growth…

Here’s the most hilarious lampooning of “friedmanese”, courtesy of Matt Taibbi: http://www.nypress.com/article-11419-flathead.html

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By: NeoLotus http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18086 NeoLotus Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:10:36 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18086 Leila, I might also suggest reading "Small is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered" by E.F. Schumacher. It was published in 1973. And a HUGE thanks to Sharon for giving me a very hearty laugh for the day. Leila,

I might also suggest reading “Small is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered” by E.F. Schumacher. It was published in 1973.

And a HUGE thanks to Sharon for giving me a very hearty laugh for the day.

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By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18083 Sharon Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:02:25 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18083 Peter - I think if you start with HFAC, it is really hard to realize what a fast turnaround Friedman has done. If you read _The Lexus and the Olive Tree_ or _The World Is Flat_, you'll see that this is a pretty radical shift - and that he was such a huge proponent of the idea that there only is one choice, massive industrial globalization. At one point in TLATOT, he says something along the lines (it is quoted in A Nation of Farmers, I think) that the only choices are globalization and that we become North Korea. I think he bears a lot of blame for publicizing the narrative that got us in trouble - but I'm grateful for his turnaround. Crunch - Glad I helped with breakfast ;-). I just have a thing about mustaches - they evoke the 1970s for me in much the same way brown bell bottoms and avocado green wallpaper do. Jamey - Cool, thanks! Sharon Peter - I think if you start with HFAC, it is really hard to realize what a fast turnaround Friedman has done. If you read _The Lexus and the Olive Tree_ or _The World Is Flat_, you’ll see that this is a pretty radical shift - and that he was such a huge proponent of the idea that there only is one choice, massive industrial globalization. At one point in TLATOT, he says something along the lines (it is quoted in A Nation of Farmers, I think) that the only choices are globalization and that we become North Korea. I think he bears a lot of blame for publicizing the narrative that got us in trouble - but I’m grateful for his turnaround.

Crunch - Glad I helped with breakfast ;-). I just have a thing about mustaches - they evoke the 1970s for me in much the same way brown bell bottoms and avocado green wallpaper do.

Jamey - Cool, thanks!

Sharon

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By: Leila Abu-Saba http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18080 Leila Abu-Saba Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:35:34 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18080 This confirms my postulate about the NY Times: the paper will only print a new idea once it has become so glaringly obvious that it is now received wisdom. If it's regarding a trend or a fashion or a technology, then the moment for it has already passed. (Facebook is over, folks, we just don't know it yet). But if it's about something as big as the Great Disruption -well, it just means that now only wingnuts will refuse to believe it. 2d point about economists - why hasn't anybody in this crowd read The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly? The book is 7 years old or more; I got it b/c a friend worked for the publisher in SF for a time. She reorganizes traditional accounting to show how it leaves out the really important stuff, like environmental impact and the worth of labor. She also analyzes the "rights" of capital as similar to the divine rights of kings - our constitution doesn't really posit that capital deserves all these rights, but we unconsciously accept that shareholders deserve more rights than the rest of the polity and the planet. My summary from reading several years ago. Every body go find this book and read it now. This confirms my postulate about the NY Times: the paper will only print a new idea once it has become so glaringly obvious that it is now received wisdom. If it’s regarding a trend or a fashion or a technology, then the moment for it has already passed. (Facebook is over, folks, we just don’t know it yet). But if it’s about something as big as the Great Disruption -well, it just means that now only wingnuts will refuse to believe it.

2d point about economists - why hasn’t anybody in this crowd read The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly? The book is 7 years old or more; I got it b/c a friend worked for the publisher in SF for a time. She reorganizes traditional accounting to show how it leaves out the really important stuff, like environmental impact and the worth of labor. She also analyzes the “rights” of capital as similar to the divine rights of kings - our constitution doesn’t really posit that capital deserves all these rights, but we unconsciously accept that shareholders deserve more rights than the rest of the polity and the planet. My summary from reading several years ago. Every body go find this book and read it now.

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By: vera http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18078 vera Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:21:21 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18078 Thanks for the link, Sharon. Interesting. I am wondering whether, however, it is less of a conversion than rats leaving the ship. But even that is good news. Thanks for the link, Sharon. Interesting. I am wondering whether, however, it is less of a conversion than rats leaving the ship.

But even that is good news.

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By: Soi Disant http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18076 Soi Disant Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:00:28 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18076 This is definitely a Friedmanian 'round turn!' I'd say Hooray! except for the fact that the affliction your posting points to has inevitably caused cognitive-dissonance-related permanent amnesia, and so we will find Mr. Friedman writing and speaking now as though his new way of thinking was what he thought all along. MY hope for the present financial crisis---from which a way will be manufactured for us to emerge "all better"---will be that more of the pundits and talking bigheads who have access and audience will start questioning the prevailing "endless growth" economic paradigm by beginning to cite some of the more cautionary and critical voices that have been there all along. Another view finally has a brief chance---at least until the present crisis is "over"---to be heard and discussed. At least, that is something we can hope for. This is definitely a Friedmanian ’round turn!’ I’d say Hooray! except for the fact that the affliction your posting points to has inevitably caused cognitive-dissonance-related permanent amnesia, and so we will find Mr. Friedman writing and speaking now as though his new way of thinking was what he thought all along.

MY hope for the present financial crisis—from which a way will be manufactured for us to emerge “all better”—will be that more of the pundits and talking bigheads who have access and audience will start questioning the prevailing “endless growth” economic paradigm by beginning to cite some of the more cautionary and critical voices that have been there all along.

Another view finally has a brief chance—at least until the present crisis is “over”—to be heard and discussed.

At least, that is something we can hope for.

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By: Jamey Hecht http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18075 Jamey Hecht Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:35:51 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18075 Hi, Sharon! Here's my new post, ending with a shout-out to your Ladyship. All best, Jamey http://poetrypoliticscollapse.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-no-longer-have-to-hate-this-person.html Hi, Sharon! Here’s my new post, ending with a shout-out to your Ladyship.
All best,
Jamey

http://poetrypoliticscollapse.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-no-longer-have-to-hate-this-person.html

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By: Crunchy Chicken http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18072 Crunchy Chicken Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:59:31 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/03/09/evil-parasitic-caterpillar-that-has-been-eating-thomas-friedmans-brain-finally-dies/#comment-18072 Thanks a lot. Do you know how hard it is to remove semi-masticated apple that has been snorted up one's nose? And that's no ordinary caterpillar. Tis a GMO tribble. What's with you and the porn-star mustachioed men, anyway? Glad you're back and I hope you had fun with the Spicy One. Thanks a lot. Do you know how hard it is to remove semi-masticated apple that has been snorted up one’s nose?

And that’s no ordinary caterpillar. Tis a GMO tribble. What’s with you and the porn-star mustachioed men, anyway?

Glad you’re back and I hope you had fun with the Spicy One.

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