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		<title>By: A few links of interest &#171; The Gourd Reborn</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/05/29/reinventing-the-informal-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-16424</link>
		<dc:creator>A few links of interest &#171; The Gourd Reborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4, 2009 by jmgregory    Sharon Astyk: Reinventing the Informal Economy &#8212; she puts a useful name on something I have thought about for many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reinventing the Informal Economy &#171; Transition Chicago (TC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reinventing the Informal Economy &#171; Transition Chicago (TC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reinventing the Informal&#160;Economy  by Sharon Astyk http://sharonastyk.com/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reinventing the Informal&nbsp;Economy  by Sharon Astyk <a href="http://sharonastyk.com/" rel="nofollow">http://sharonastyk.com/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, great piece!

I&#039;m also a feminist, but not an &quot;industrial feminist&quot; or a corporate feminist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, great piece!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a feminist, but not an &#8220;industrial feminist&#8221; or a corporate feminist.</p>
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		<title>By: MEA</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/05/29/reinventing-the-informal-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-16421</link>
		<dc:creator>MEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point last year, my housemate and I acutally discussed one of us leaving paid employment. The sticking point -- health insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point last year, my housemate and I acutally discussed one of us leaving paid employment. The sticking point &#8212; health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few people can live entirely in the informal economy (although it is worth noting that a surprising number do - &quot;informal&quot; does not mean &quot;cashless&quot; - it includes people who work under the table, and the criminal economy, both of which are very much cash based, and with which people do pay property taxes - note, I am not suggesting the criminal economy as a profession, although all the really high value crops I can think of would put me there ;-)) - usually there&#039;s some mix of formal and informal, and I do think it is important to have a household (which hopefully does not mean &quot;one single person struggling to do it all&quot; have someone with a foot in the formal economy just because of property taxes.  The question is one of weight - how do you balance the two economies - does the formal economy get all your attention or not?  Can one person make money in the formal economy, while others work in the informal?  I think one of the things needed to make the informal economy work is greater consolidation of households - the nuclear family and its cognates are simply too small for all the work that needs doing.

Sharon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few people can live entirely in the informal economy (although it is worth noting that a surprising number do &#8211; &#8220;informal&#8221; does not mean &#8220;cashless&#8221; &#8211; it includes people who work under the table, and the criminal economy, both of which are very much cash based, and with which people do pay property taxes &#8211; note, I am not suggesting the criminal economy as a profession, although all the really high value crops I can think of would put me there <img src='http://sharonastyk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) &#8211; usually there&#8217;s some mix of formal and informal, and I do think it is important to have a household (which hopefully does not mean &#8220;one single person struggling to do it all&#8221; have someone with a foot in the formal economy just because of property taxes.  The question is one of weight &#8211; how do you balance the two economies &#8211; does the formal economy get all your attention or not?  Can one person make money in the formal economy, while others work in the informal?  I think one of the things needed to make the informal economy work is greater consolidation of households &#8211; the nuclear family and its cognates are simply too small for all the work that needs doing.</p>
<p>Sharon</p>
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		<title>By: MEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika -- I honestly wish I knew. I&#039;d be there, doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika &#8212; I honestly wish I knew. I&#8217;d be there, doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Wonderful post and fantastic discussion!  I&#039;m an on-again-off-again reader of your blog, and I have to say this one hit home.

I&#039;ve been in the &quot;informal economy&quot; for my entire life.  I was taught to sew, cook, knit, embroider, work with wood, garden, can, and pretty much everything I needed to know to take care of me and mine with limited involvement in the &quot;formal economy&quot;.  I was told frequently throughout my childhood and teen years (usually by older gentlemen!) that I would &quot;make someone a good wife someday&quot;

We we poor, and as a child during the 80s, I scorned &quot;women&#039;s work&quot; and found the comments about being a good wife insulting.

As I grew up I was encouraged to go to college so I could get a good job, so I could support myself and my family.  Make much sense, after learning how to run a home??  But I did it, married a man who bought into the idea that work at home was value-less, and finally divorced him.  Now I&#039;m a single mom, who works outside the home and pays teenagers to raise my child while I perform &quot;essential&quot; work.

I LIVE in the dichotomy where what I KNOW to be right and what I can DO about it are in strict violation of each other.  I belong home, taking care of my son and participating in the &quot;informal&quot; economy, where I have never been bereft of barter or trade (I once traded sewing a custom outfit for a man for that man to plumb my new bathroom).  Instead I am out of the home, and run ragged trying to participate in both economies.  And I&#039;m caught in the middle, unable to leave the &quot;formal&quot; economy because of the difficulty in getting insurance when &quot;unemployed&quot; (the lovely name for working outside the &quot;formal&quot; economy - no matter how hard you really work, you&#039;re UNemployed), but wanting and dreaming of separating from it.

I honestly think that households with more than one adult are at a distinct advantage in the transition, as one person cannot maintain involvement in both economies while parenting.  If I lost my job, I would be gung-ho in the &quot;informal&quot; economy.

But how does one pay property taxes when one steps outside the &quot;formal&quot; economy??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Wonderful post and fantastic discussion!  I&#8217;m an on-again-off-again reader of your blog, and I have to say this one hit home.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in the &#8220;informal economy&#8221; for my entire life.  I was taught to sew, cook, knit, embroider, work with wood, garden, can, and pretty much everything I needed to know to take care of me and mine with limited involvement in the &#8220;formal economy&#8221;.  I was told frequently throughout my childhood and teen years (usually by older gentlemen!) that I would &#8220;make someone a good wife someday&#8221;</p>
<p>We we poor, and as a child during the 80s, I scorned &#8220;women&#8217;s work&#8221; and found the comments about being a good wife insulting.</p>
<p>As I grew up I was encouraged to go to college so I could get a good job, so I could support myself and my family.  Make much sense, after learning how to run a home??  But I did it, married a man who bought into the idea that work at home was value-less, and finally divorced him.  Now I&#8217;m a single mom, who works outside the home and pays teenagers to raise my child while I perform &#8220;essential&#8221; work.</p>
<p>I LIVE in the dichotomy where what I KNOW to be right and what I can DO about it are in strict violation of each other.  I belong home, taking care of my son and participating in the &#8220;informal&#8221; economy, where I have never been bereft of barter or trade (I once traded sewing a custom outfit for a man for that man to plumb my new bathroom).  Instead I am out of the home, and run ragged trying to participate in both economies.  And I&#8217;m caught in the middle, unable to leave the &#8220;formal&#8221; economy because of the difficulty in getting insurance when &#8220;unemployed&#8221; (the lovely name for working outside the &#8220;formal&#8221; economy &#8211; no matter how hard you really work, you&#8217;re UNemployed), but wanting and dreaming of separating from it.</p>
<p>I honestly think that households with more than one adult are at a distinct advantage in the transition, as one person cannot maintain involvement in both economies while parenting.  If I lost my job, I would be gung-ho in the &#8220;informal&#8221; economy.</p>
<p>But how does one pay property taxes when one steps outside the &#8220;formal&#8221; economy??</p>
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		<title>By: Greenpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, got my post up:

http://littlebloginthebigwoods.blogspot.com/2009/05/problem-is-men.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, got my post up:</p>
<p><a href="http://littlebloginthebigwoods.blogspot.com/2009/05/problem-is-men.html" rel="nofollow">http://littlebloginthebigwoods.blogspot.com/2009/05/problem-is-men.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greenpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys.  Both &quot;natural&quot; and &quot;essential&quot; are true and correct.  I have another word I like better- and I&#039;m having the heck of a time getting it out.  Still don&#039;t have the post up on my blog; but it&#039;s what I&#039;m working on.  Hopefully tomorrow morning.  I think you&#039;ll like it.

And Sue- it&#039;ll make your choice more clear to your husband, too.  I hope.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys.  Both &#8220;natural&#8221; and &#8220;essential&#8221; are true and correct.  I have another word I like better- and I&#8217;m having the heck of a time getting it out.  Still don&#8217;t have the post up on my blog; but it&#8217;s what I&#8217;m working on.  Hopefully tomorrow morning.  I think you&#8217;ll like it.</p>
<p>And Sue- it&#8217;ll make your choice more clear to your husband, too.  I hope.  <img src='http://sharonastyk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sue Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, I&#039;ve been reading your blog for six months or so, and I have to say I&#039;m awed by your prolificness and your clarity of thinking (your apology for light blog posting of late just made me laugh!)

I&#039;m particularly appreciative of this post, as my husband and I were just talking in circles over my wanting to take more significant steps towards self-sufficiency. He was stuck on us engaging more in the formal economy (meaning, my finding part-time work, on top of the homeschooling, suburban homesteading and other informal economy work I do). He felt we just needed to earn more money to prepare for tough times, whilst I was arguing for withdrawing soon-to-be-worthless, dollar-denominated retirement account monies to buy nearby land we could begin planting with food trees and expand our growing activities. Your article reframed our collective situation beautiful in ways I couldn&#039;t manage in our at-times heated conversation, and neither of us has stopped thinking about it since.

With gratitude,

Sue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for six months or so, and I have to say I&#8217;m awed by your prolificness and your clarity of thinking (your apology for light blog posting of late just made me laugh!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly appreciative of this post, as my husband and I were just talking in circles over my wanting to take more significant steps towards self-sufficiency. He was stuck on us engaging more in the formal economy (meaning, my finding part-time work, on top of the homeschooling, suburban homesteading and other informal economy work I do). He felt we just needed to earn more money to prepare for tough times, whilst I was arguing for withdrawing soon-to-be-worthless, dollar-denominated retirement account monies to buy nearby land we could begin planting with food trees and expand our growing activities. Your article reframed our collective situation beautiful in ways I couldn&#8217;t manage in our at-times heated conversation, and neither of us has stopped thinking about it since.</p>
<p>With gratitude,</p>
<p>Sue</p>
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