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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Talk reality, and you become the &#8220;bad guy&#8221; &#171; Unconventional Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell, at least around here, 40 hour weeks are only for people who are paid hourly.  Salaried people work more like the so-called old-time 50-60 hour weeks.  And I&#039;m not even sure about the hourly-paid jobs.... just found out this past May at town meeting that one of our police officers was putting in 60 hours/wk even though she was only getting paid for 35 hours because she felt the work needed to get done.  She&#039;s now salaried as of that town meeting, because as long as the town can afford it, she&#039;ll be paid for all the work she&#039;s doing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, at least around here, 40 hour weeks are only for people who are paid hourly.  Salaried people work more like the so-called old-time 50-60 hour weeks.  And I&#8217;m not even sure about the hourly-paid jobs&#8230;. just found out this past May at town meeting that one of our police officers was putting in 60 hours/wk even though she was only getting paid for 35 hours because she felt the work needed to get done.  She&#8217;s now salaried as of that town meeting, because as long as the town can afford it, she&#8217;ll be paid for all the work she&#8217;s doing!</p>
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		<title>By: WNC Observer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have only had the 40 hour work week for the past 60-70 years. That has corresponded with the peaking of fossil fuels, and is sure to go away when they do. For most of human history, 12 or even 16 hours per day for six or even seven days a week was pretty much the standard for wage earners (or slaves, which in many cases was pretty much the same thing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have only had the 40 hour work week for the past 60-70 years. That has corresponded with the peaking of fossil fuels, and is sure to go away when they do. For most of human history, 12 or even 16 hours per day for six or even seven days a week was pretty much the standard for wage earners (or slaves, which in many cases was pretty much the same thing).</p>
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		<title>By: Isis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WNC Observer:

&quot;People will have to give up worthless, easy fantasy jobs and put their shoulder to the plow, maybe literally. People will have to give up leisure time and spend any time not engaged in paid employment producing for their own use in their household economy.&quot;

Oh, I don&#039;t know. As more and more 50+ hrs/week paper-pushing jobs go away, people are likely to have more, rather than less, free time. Now add some blackouts to that (i.e. no TV and no Internet), and most people are likely to wind up with more free time than then will know what to do with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WNC Observer:</p>
<p>&#8220;People will have to give up worthless, easy fantasy jobs and put their shoulder to the plow, maybe literally. People will have to give up leisure time and spend any time not engaged in paid employment producing for their own use in their household economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know. As more and more 50+ hrs/week paper-pushing jobs go away, people are likely to have more, rather than less, free time. Now add some blackouts to that (i.e. no TV and no Internet), and most people are likely to wind up with more free time than then will know what to do with.</p>
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		<title>By: WNC Observer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. The people at the top, our so-called &quot;leaders, don&#039;t have a plan and won&#039;t have a plan, because they never have had a plan. The only type of planning they have ever done is planning how they themselves can get into their positions of &quot;leadership&quot; and stay there as long as possible. Stay there they will, until events reach a crescendo and sweep them out of power, one way or another. That seems to be the universal pattern seen throughout history.

Yeah, we&#039;ll have to make more stuff again. The other side of that coin is that we&#039;ll never be able to make all the stuff that we are consuming now, so we&#039;ll also have to learn to make do with less stuff. I have been saying that the 21st century is going to be one long exercise in giving up things, and this is part of what I mean by that. People will have to give up worthless, easy fantasy jobs and put their shoulder to the plow, maybe literally. People will have to give up leisure time and spend any time not engaged in paid employment producing for their own use in their household economy. People will have to give up simply having as much stuff and as high a standard of living as we have been accustomed to, and learn to live on a lot less.

As a very rough rule of thumb, I am suggesting that people think in terms of a US median per capita GDP of somewhere in the area of $10,000 per year, in real 2009 dollars. That is about 1/4 of what it is now. Of course, &quot;median&quot; suggests that there will be people above that level - and people below it. How lucky do you think you will be? I am not saying how soon we will reach that level, or how we will get there, or whether or not we will level out there. I do very much doubt that we can sustain anything much above that level, which means that circumstances will force us down to at least that level sooner or later, and probably sooner. I don&#039;t know what things will be like for people a century from now, but this is something that people living right now might have to look forward to, and not all that far into the future.

One thing that I am doing, while I have the money to do it: I am trying to acquire good, sturdy, reliable tools and equipment, and good &quot;how to&quot; or &quot;DIY&quot; books. As I said, a lot of that production that is going to have to be done will be in the homestead economy. The better equipped one is, the wider the range of things that one might be able to produce for oneself. Some might find later that they can&#039;t put every tool to good use, but that is OK - good quality tools will make very, very good trade goods. One of the most stupidist things of all we have done here in the US is to offshore our tool production capability. We apparently don&#039;t even have the capability to produce drill bits anymore - they are ALL made in China!!! When those imported drill bits are only available at a price of $100 each, people are going to be wishing that they have stocked up. Drill bits are not the hardest things in the world to make, but neither are they the easiest; it will take us quite a while to rebuild our capacity to produce basic things like that. In the meantime. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. The people at the top, our so-called &#8220;leaders, don&#8217;t have a plan and won&#8217;t have a plan, because they never have had a plan. The only type of planning they have ever done is planning how they themselves can get into their positions of &#8220;leadership&#8221; and stay there as long as possible. Stay there they will, until events reach a crescendo and sweep them out of power, one way or another. That seems to be the universal pattern seen throughout history.</p>
<p>Yeah, we&#8217;ll have to make more stuff again. The other side of that coin is that we&#8217;ll never be able to make all the stuff that we are consuming now, so we&#8217;ll also have to learn to make do with less stuff. I have been saying that the 21st century is going to be one long exercise in giving up things, and this is part of what I mean by that. People will have to give up worthless, easy fantasy jobs and put their shoulder to the plow, maybe literally. People will have to give up leisure time and spend any time not engaged in paid employment producing for their own use in their household economy. People will have to give up simply having as much stuff and as high a standard of living as we have been accustomed to, and learn to live on a lot less.</p>
<p>As a very rough rule of thumb, I am suggesting that people think in terms of a US median per capita GDP of somewhere in the area of $10,000 per year, in real 2009 dollars. That is about 1/4 of what it is now. Of course, &#8220;median&#8221; suggests that there will be people above that level &#8211; and people below it. How lucky do you think you will be? I am not saying how soon we will reach that level, or how we will get there, or whether or not we will level out there. I do very much doubt that we can sustain anything much above that level, which means that circumstances will force us down to at least that level sooner or later, and probably sooner. I don&#8217;t know what things will be like for people a century from now, but this is something that people living right now might have to look forward to, and not all that far into the future.</p>
<p>One thing that I am doing, while I have the money to do it: I am trying to acquire good, sturdy, reliable tools and equipment, and good &#8220;how to&#8221; or &#8220;DIY&#8221; books. As I said, a lot of that production that is going to have to be done will be in the homestead economy. The better equipped one is, the wider the range of things that one might be able to produce for oneself. Some might find later that they can&#8217;t put every tool to good use, but that is OK &#8211; good quality tools will make very, very good trade goods. One of the most stupidist things of all we have done here in the US is to offshore our tool production capability. We apparently don&#8217;t even have the capability to produce drill bits anymore &#8211; they are ALL made in China!!! When those imported drill bits are only available at a price of $100 each, people are going to be wishing that they have stocked up. Drill bits are not the hardest things in the world to make, but neither are they the easiest; it will take us quite a while to rebuild our capacity to produce basic things like that. In the meantime. . .</p>
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		<title>By: mike grenville</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Apple Jack Creek&#039; - only Robinson Crusoe got everything done by Friday ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Apple Jack Creek&#8217; &#8211; only Robinson Crusoe got everything done by Friday <img src='http://sharonastyk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gaiasdaughter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, I read your posts out of order -- Orlov came first and now this one.  The good news is that the faster the economy goes belly up, the better off we are: &quot;A fast collapse is the optimistic scenario.  The alternative is a nasty &#039;slow burn.&#039;&quot;  So maybe Obama is doing everything right after all!

In the meantime, I come here for reassurance that I am not as crazy as family and friends think I am!  Thanks for being there for all of us:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, I read your posts out of order &#8212; Orlov came first and now this one.  The good news is that the faster the economy goes belly up, the better off we are: &#8220;A fast collapse is the optimistic scenario.  The alternative is a nasty &#8216;slow burn.&#8217;&#8221;  So maybe Obama is doing everything right after all!</p>
<p>In the meantime, I come here for reassurance that I am not as crazy as family and friends think I am!  Thanks for being there for all of us:)</p>
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