Comments on: Permaculture Future?: Part I http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/ Finding the keys to the future…and trying not to lose them in the mess. Thu, 24 May 2012 18:35:10 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Rodney7777 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-95073 Rodney7777 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:44:36 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-95073 Permaculture? Sure. But I hope everyone realizes that Permaculture will always be a "crippled" movement until everyone can grow whatever they want. This means marijuana (hemp) with high THC. If you able to grow MJ with high THC, here's what you could have. One acre of land can produce a much as 200 gallons of Oil from the hemp seeds that can power a diesel engine. Hemp fiber for paper, clothing, and insulation. Hurd (the center stalk, broken up) plus lime and water makes a concrete like substance that is stronger and lighter than concrete. There is a lady in France that in the past was building lots of houses incorporating hurd and hemp insulation and concrete. It is being shown that MJ with High THC, that is made into a paste and ingested will help with or outright cure many major diseases, such as cancer, MS and Parkinson. Hemp is a cover crop so weeding is not an issue and it can be grown on marginal or less than marginal land. Go to urbanhome.org and see what con be done (3 tons of food a year) with just a 1/5 acre garden in the middle of Pasadena Ca and then imagine every home in America doing even just a portion of what Jules and Anais Dervaes are doing in Pasadena. Turning lawns into gardens everywhere. Incentive? How about growing your own fuel, construction materials, fiber for paper and clothes, and medicines from hemp oil. Incorporate some solar panels, and I do this, I make my own solar panels and it is really easy, and I power one of my two electric vehicles using solar (soon to be both). So combine in some solar panels and there would be a lot of money saved by driving past the gas station and way fewer trips to the grocery store. Now for some advice. Do you have a well? Buy a spare pump now. Get extra tires now. Fill your medicine cabinet now. Buy lots rigid insulation so you can line a room in your house with it so you can be warm with out a heat source, and store it away now. Buy 40# bags of rice, same for beans now. While you still can, buy 4 or more rolls of 90% silver quarters or the equivalent in dimes (use Ebay or an on line coin dealer) right away, as soon no one will be selling them. You will need silver coins to restart your life after the collapse, that is sure to come, is over Some are estimating that 4 rolls of 90% silver quarters that cost about $1,000 now, will be worth $130,000 in today's dollars in as few as 5 years. Learn how to use a composting toilet and have extra containers for that purpose on hand. Set up a system to capture the rain water from your roof, so buy a few food grade 55 gallon drums now. Set up a water filtering system and have lots of extra filters on hand. It is very difficult to envision everything you will need, but the above ideas will get you started. Permaculture? Sure. But I hope everyone realizes that Permaculture will always be a “crippled” movement until everyone can grow whatever they want. This means marijuana (hemp) with high THC. If you able to grow MJ with high THC, here’s what you could have. One acre of land can produce a much as 200 gallons of Oil from the hemp seeds that can power a diesel engine. Hemp fiber for paper, clothing, and insulation. Hurd (the center stalk, broken up) plus lime and water makes a concrete like substance that is stronger and lighter than concrete. There is a lady in France that in the past was building lots of houses incorporating hurd and hemp insulation and concrete. It is being shown that MJ with High THC, that is made into a paste and ingested will help with or outright cure many major diseases, such as cancer, MS and Parkinson. Hemp is a cover crop so weeding is not an issue and it can be grown on marginal or less than marginal land. Go to urbanhome.org and see what con be done (3 tons of food a year) with just a 1/5 acre garden in the middle of Pasadena Ca and then imagine every home in America doing even just a portion of what Jules and Anais Dervaes are doing in Pasadena. Turning lawns into gardens everywhere. Incentive? How about growing your own fuel, construction materials, fiber for paper and clothes, and medicines from hemp oil. Incorporate some solar panels, and I do this, I make my own solar panels and it is really easy, and I power one of my two electric vehicles using solar (soon to be both). So combine in some solar panels and there would be a lot of money saved by driving past the gas station and way fewer trips to the grocery store.

Now for some advice. Do you have a well? Buy a spare pump now. Get extra tires now. Fill your medicine cabinet now. Buy lots rigid insulation so you can line a room in your house with it so you can be warm with out a heat source, and store it away now. Buy 40# bags of rice, same for beans now. While you still can, buy 4 or more rolls of 90% silver quarters or the equivalent in dimes (use Ebay or an on line coin dealer) right away, as soon no one will be selling them. You will need silver coins to restart your life after the collapse, that is sure to come, is over Some are estimating that 4 rolls of 90% silver quarters that cost about $1,000 now, will be worth $130,000 in today’s dollars in as few as 5 years. Learn how to use a composting toilet and have extra containers for that purpose on hand. Set up a system to capture the rain water from your roof, so buy a few food grade 55 gallon drums now. Set up a water filtering system and have lots of extra filters on hand. It is very difficult to envision everything you will need, but the above ideas will get you started.

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]]> By: simon the marrow http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17372 simon the marrow Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:37:15 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17372 I apologise if this generaly sentiment has been expressed but didn't have time to read all posts: Permaculture is a holistic design methodology that works by observing nature's patterns. So it's an approach. Transition Towns/islands/forests/shanty-towns is an application of permaculture principles. It is one of the more visible applications to date. Permaculture is the broad approach. If you need emergency preparedness then devise and implement emergency preparedness- ideally with Permaculture principles embedded in it. Don't ask 'can permaculture deal with the abrupt shocks'? That's a typically 'intelectual' way of thinking about it. Abrupt shocks are part of nature's pattern so any manifestation of Permaculture which is unable to respond to them is not really 'doing' Permaculture but merely pretending. And I agree a lot of people worldwide are probably 'pretending' to do permaculture- building raised beds, standing in circles, attaching new age religion to it, using old tyres etc etc. Its inevitable and not without merit by any means. If you want a case study of permaculture pirnciples really being used to respond to shocks then you should look to Cuba in the 1970's as it underwent shock oil shortages. It might not have been pretty but they coped and permaculture was implicated in their response at a broad level. Look, movements often start with the middle class. Its nothing to get hung up over. It doesn't mean the middle class are morally superior- it just means that a proportion of them often act as instigators. In Cuba a lot of the permaculturists that implemented permaculture based solutions in the 1970's were white Australians. Really this whole post is about middle class instigators having a moment of crisis that the initial seed that has been spread won't fully germinate. I apologise if this generaly sentiment has been expressed but didn’t have time to read all posts:

Permaculture is a holistic design methodology that works by observing nature’s patterns. So it’s an approach. Transition Towns/islands/forests/shanty-towns is an application of permaculture principles. It is one of the more visible applications to date.

Permaculture is the broad approach. If you need emergency preparedness then devise and implement emergency preparedness- ideally with Permaculture principles embedded in it. Don’t ask ‘can permaculture deal with the abrupt shocks’? That’s a typically ‘intelectual’ way of thinking about it.
Abrupt shocks are part of nature’s pattern so any manifestation of Permaculture which is unable to respond to them is not really ‘doing’ Permaculture but merely pretending. And I agree a lot of people worldwide are probably ‘pretending’ to do permaculture- building raised beds, standing in circles, attaching new age religion to it, using old tyres etc etc. Its inevitable and not without merit by any means. If you want a case study of permaculture pirnciples really being used to respond to shocks then you should look to Cuba in the 1970′s as it underwent shock oil shortages. It might not have been pretty but they coped and permaculture was implicated in their response at a broad level.

Look, movements often start with the middle class. Its nothing to get hung up over. It doesn’t mean the middle class are morally superior- it just means that a proportion of them often act as instigators. In Cuba a lot of the permaculturists that implemented permaculture based solutions in the 1970′s were white Australians. Really this whole post is about middle class instigators having a moment of crisis that the initial seed that has been spread won’t fully germinate.

]]> By: Gaiapunk http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17371 Gaiapunk Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:26:33 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17371 I think this is a really important discussion with in the permaculture movement as a whole. I have been trying to open up the cultural veins of permaculture with my own efforts at www.punkrockpermaculture.com. I have be able to find some really great permie resources so this site is definitely worth a look. I think this is a really important discussion with in the permaculture movement as a whole. I have been trying to open up the cultural veins of permaculture with my own efforts at http://www.punkrockpermaculture.com. I have be able to find some really great permie resources so this site is definitely worth a look.

]]> By: nachhaltigBeobachtet http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17370 nachhaltigBeobachtet Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:23:33 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17370 <strong>Optionen für den Übergang in eine post-fossile Zivilisation</strong> Das Ende des Zeitalters billiger Energie (von welchem nur eine Minderheit auf diesem Planeten profitiert hat) ist in Sicht, dazu kommen - sehr wahrscheinlich - klimatische Veränderungen, welche weltw ... Optionen für den Übergang in eine post-fossile Zivilisation

Das Ende des Zeitalters billiger Energie (von welchem nur eine Minderheit auf diesem Planeten profitiert hat) ist in Sicht, dazu kommen – sehr wahrscheinlich – klimatische Veränderungen, welche weltw …

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]]> By: Do I Have to Hold Hands to Do Permaculture? http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17368 Do I Have to Hold Hands to Do Permaculture? Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:17:41 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17368 [...] author Sharon Astyk, we have Permaculture Future?: Part I and Permaculture Future? Part II. And then from Rob Hopkins from Transition Culture, we have [...] [...] author Sharon Astyk, we have Permaculture Future?: Part I and Permaculture Future? Part II. And then from Rob Hopkins from Transition Culture, we have [...]

]]> By: Monks and missionaries « Slow Coast http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17367 Monks and missionaries « Slow Coast Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:33:46 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17367 [...] of these two social movements which make them unlikely to connect with the mainstream population (part one here; part two here). Hopkins replied with a very civil post, and as of this writing there have been 72 [...] [...] of these two social movements which make them unlikely to connect with the mainstream population (part one here; part two here). Hopkins replied with a very civil post, and as of this writing there have been 72 [...]

]]> By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-17366 Sharon Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:47:31 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/2009/06/29/permaculture-future-questions-perhaps-worth-asking-part-i/#comment-17366 Ian, no offense, but I think the one criticism you can't make is that I've not offered any alternatives over the years I've been doing this. As for pictures - 25% of all internet subscribers still do it on a telephone line - making this easy to load is important to me. Sharon Ian, no offense, but I think the one criticism you can’t make is that I’ve not offered any alternatives over the years I’ve been doing this. As for pictures – 25% of all internet subscribers still do it on a telephone line – making this easy to load is important to me.

Sharon

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