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		<title>By: Delorse Feingold</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/07/30/will-the-internet-still-be-here-in-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-36760</link>
		<dc:creator>Delorse Feingold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any update on when you will post again?</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Widger</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/07/30/will-the-internet-still-be-here-in-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-23236</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Widger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice, i enjoyed reading your post</description>
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		<title>By: engineering colleges</title>
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		<dc:creator>engineering colleges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higher Mathematics: A Textbook for Classical and Engineering Colleges (1896)Buch Higher Mathematics: A Textbook for Classical and Engineering Colleges (1896) von Genre: BÃ¼cher Erscheinungsdatum: 2008-06-01 00:00:00 Seiten: 604 EAN: 9781436870191 Zustand: neu Preis: 36.33.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higher Mathematics: A Textbook for Classical and Engineering Colleges (1896)Buch Higher Mathematics: A Textbook for Classical and Engineering Colleges (1896) von Genre: BÃ¼cher Erscheinungsdatum: 2008-06-01 00:00:00 Seiten: 604 EAN: 9781436870191 Zustand: neu Preis: 36.33.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther Grebs</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/07/30/will-the-internet-still-be-here-in-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-22651</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther Grebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the blog.  I&#039;ve been creating solar panels for small businesses for months now and carrying out pretty well... Lucky I found this place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the blog.  I&#8217;ve been creating solar panels for small businesses for months now and carrying out pretty well&#8230; Lucky I found this place.</p>
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		<title>By: varundbest</title>
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		<dc:creator>varundbest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was browsing to get a bunch of music videos for my party and just found out this post. I must say that you have done a wonderful effort. Thanks mate.</description>
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		<title>By: The Unwoven Rainbow &#187; Our Low-Tech Future</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/07/30/will-the-internet-still-be-here-in-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-18307</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unwoven Rainbow &#187; Our Low-Tech Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] digital technology, by Kris De Decker. * The End of the Information Age, by John Michael Greer. * Will the Internet Still Be Here in Tough Times?, by Sharon Astyk (which draws heavily from the two articles [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] digital technology, by Kris De Decker. * The End of the Information Age, by John Michael Greer. * Will the Internet Still Be Here in Tough Times?, by Sharon Astyk (which draws heavily from the two articles [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Death by 1000 Paper Cuts &#124; Becoming Self Sufficient. Towards self sufficiency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Death by 1000 Paper Cuts &#124; Becoming Self Sufficient. Towards self sufficiency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] good example of unthinkable change is Sharon Astyk’s excellent post Will the Internet Still Be Here in Tough Times? It makes points that will seem ridiculous to some: I think the assumption that we are making, that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] good example of unthinkable change is Sharon Astyk’s excellent post Will the Internet Still Be Here in Tough Times? It makes points that will seem ridiculous to some: I think the assumption that we are making, that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Shield</title>
		<link>http://sharonastyk.com/2009/07/30/will-the-internet-still-be-here-in-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-18305</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Shield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is how knowledge in a more productive, hands on, society is stored, collated and defused. If we just take the three Rs, Reuse, Recycle, Repair as the basic skill set, let alone grow your own, create your own power then the limits of the internet as a teaching tool rather than a defuser of news and views spring up.

To learn practical skills, requires a hand on, here&#039;s the idea, here&#039;s a demonstration, right your turn sort of approach. I wouldn&#039;t dream of using a chainsaw without having the range of safety, and other forestry skills explained to me, a skilled person showing me what to do, then watching me and correcting all my errors.

Yep afterwards if I had small questions I might poise them in a forum online, and equally I would not respond to a question poised online unless I had actual experience.

Equally a course in say, advanced forestry management, couldn&#039;t possibly teach me all I want to know, books, online forums, and most importantly working alongside others would provide the collective group wisdom in much more practical ways.

What the internet has given us is an illusion of wisdom, a one flake thick covering of apparent knowledge, a dangerous confidence when playing with power tools!

To develop the depth of skills a low carbon sustainable economy needs then we have to go back to a pre-digital age and look at personal training like apprenticeships – longer term on the &#039;job&#039; training that develop a depth of knowledge that maximizes the individual and groups effectiveness. Low carbon living and working means the individual and group/community has to be more effective at what they do as the short cuts of instant and cheap power are no longer available at the flick of a switch.

To achieve that level of efficiency in most practical skills there is not a keyboard in sight.

Oh an yeah The internet, as has been said here is in little danger of disappearing. It is mightily robust, will an inbuilt adaptation to harsh circumstances, nuclear war being its original ARPA defined catastrophe . As fossil fuel costs mount then renewables become more economical, and the design of much more energy efficient server farms, as well as individual PCs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is how knowledge in a more productive, hands on, society is stored, collated and defused. If we just take the three Rs, Reuse, Recycle, Repair as the basic skill set, let alone grow your own, create your own power then the limits of the internet as a teaching tool rather than a defuser of news and views spring up.</p>
<p>To learn practical skills, requires a hand on, here&#8217;s the idea, here&#8217;s a demonstration, right your turn sort of approach. I wouldn&#8217;t dream of using a chainsaw without having the range of safety, and other forestry skills explained to me, a skilled person showing me what to do, then watching me and correcting all my errors.</p>
<p>Yep afterwards if I had small questions I might poise them in a forum online, and equally I would not respond to a question poised online unless I had actual experience.</p>
<p>Equally a course in say, advanced forestry management, couldn&#8217;t possibly teach me all I want to know, books, online forums, and most importantly working alongside others would provide the collective group wisdom in much more practical ways.</p>
<p>What the internet has given us is an illusion of wisdom, a one flake thick covering of apparent knowledge, a dangerous confidence when playing with power tools!</p>
<p>To develop the depth of skills a low carbon sustainable economy needs then we have to go back to a pre-digital age and look at personal training like apprenticeships – longer term on the &#8216;job&#8217; training that develop a depth of knowledge that maximizes the individual and groups effectiveness. Low carbon living and working means the individual and group/community has to be more effective at what they do as the short cuts of instant and cheap power are no longer available at the flick of a switch.</p>
<p>To achieve that level of efficiency in most practical skills there is not a keyboard in sight.</p>
<p>Oh an yeah The internet, as has been said here is in little danger of disappearing. It is mightily robust, will an inbuilt adaptation to harsh circumstances, nuclear war being its original ARPA defined catastrophe . As fossil fuel costs mount then renewables become more economical, and the design of much more energy efficient server farms, as well as individual PCs.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Minich</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Minich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve wondered about this myself.  My thought tends to be that, bar a catastrophe that knocks the entire grid itself out for weeks, the internet will survive - it&#039;ll be our access that doesn&#039;t.  The internet was designed to be massively redundant - basically, the protocols were built to survive a nuclear attack.  It will route around problems as long as they aren&#039;t completely catastrophic.  We will lose information on the internet, but the network is as robust as they come.  The more likely way to lose it is to have the world lose out on access to it, the internet becoming the enclave of the rich and elite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wondered about this myself.  My thought tends to be that, bar a catastrophe that knocks the entire grid itself out for weeks, the internet will survive &#8211; it&#8217;ll be our access that doesn&#8217;t.  The internet was designed to be massively redundant &#8211; basically, the protocols were built to survive a nuclear attack.  It will route around problems as long as they aren&#8217;t completely catastrophic.  We will lose information on the internet, but the network is as robust as they come.  The more likely way to lose it is to have the world lose out on access to it, the internet becoming the enclave of the rich and elite.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At present, I&#039;m editing a volume of seventeenth-century letters for a university press; the letters are from and to a physician and natural historian, and there are 1145 of them.  I wonder if we&#039;d be able to do the same project a few hundred years from now for a 21st-century thinker. As a historian, I do worry a bit that all our emails/electronic data will disappear, leaving this era of history a blank wall.  Vellum lasts, pixels don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At present, I&#8217;m editing a volume of seventeenth-century letters for a university press; the letters are from and to a physician and natural historian, and there are 1145 of them.  I wonder if we&#8217;d be able to do the same project a few hundred years from now for a 21st-century thinker. As a historian, I do worry a bit that all our emails/electronic data will disappear, leaving this era of history a blank wall.  Vellum lasts, pixels don&#8217;t.</p>
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