Comments on: Vandana Shiva on How We The Rich World Can Stop Hurting the Poor World http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/ Sharon Astyk's Ruminations on an Ambiguous Future Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:50:53 -0700 #?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: NM http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26834 NM Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:19:24 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26834 I was very sorry to learn that there's a considerable debate going on about fair trade certified tea; apparently Fair Trade decided to let in large tea plantations, and some are alleging that workers on those plantations are not seeing improved conditions or pay -- some are actually suffering more. Equal Exchange is among the critics. Equal Exchange offers its own certified teas, however, that it says come closer to meeting the goals of being sustainable and socially responsible. Note they don't say meet them entirely. Still trying to decide what to think about Celestial Seasonings, which produces some of my favorite teas, certified by nobody, but claims to practice "ethical trade" by working with small farmers on its own. I was very sorry to learn that there’s a considerable debate going on about fair trade certified tea; apparently Fair Trade decided to let in large tea plantations, and some are alleging that workers on those plantations are not seeing improved conditions or pay — some are actually suffering more. Equal Exchange is among the critics.
Equal Exchange offers its own certified teas, however, that it says come closer to meeting the goals of being sustainable and socially responsible. Note they don’t say meet them entirely.
Still trying to decide what to think about Celestial Seasonings, which produces some of my favorite teas, certified by nobody, but claims to practice “ethical trade” by working with small farmers on its own.

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26802 Anonymous Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:03:05 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26802 "Shift your diet to eat what’s available in your locality" How do you define YOUR locality, I mean which distance around your home is your locality? If my locality was defined by a radius of 50 miles around my home, I would be eating only heavily pesticide sprayed wheat, maize and canola, cause that's the only foodstuff grown in my "locality"....a true recipe for starving (even before pesticide induced cancer could strike) “Shift your diet to eat what’s available in your locality”
How do you define YOUR locality, I mean which distance around your home is your locality?
If my locality was defined by a radius of 50 miles around my home, I would be eating only heavily pesticide sprayed wheat, maize and canola, cause that’s the only foodstuff grown in my “locality”….a true recipe for starving (even before pesticide induced cancer could strike)

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By: Sue in pacNW http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26744 Sue in pacNW Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:50:24 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26744 From those to whom much is given, much is expected . . Thank you Anna, beautifully said. From those to whom much is given, much is expected . .

Thank you Anna, beautifully said.

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By: Kate http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26741 Kate Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:17:25 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26741 Very good advice from many. I have been eating organic food for 12 years and ate it before it became something else because I am old enough to remember those times. The food is excellent and doesn't need mankind's assistance. I only knew two people with cancer before i was 20. Then they started dropping like flies. Perhaps there is a connection? Very good advice from many. I have been eating organic food for 12 years and ate it before it became something else because I am old enough to remember those times. The food is excellent and doesn’t need mankind’s assistance. I only knew two people with cancer before i was 20. Then they started dropping like flies. Perhaps there is a connection?

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By: Clare http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26721 Clare Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:54:42 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26721 I guess I don't really think of France or Italy as my locality, but I shall keep my eyes peeled for European rice, thanks for the suggestion. Pasta in the UK is mostly made from Italian durum wheat, anyway. And I shall eat more potatoes! I guess I don’t really think of France or Italy as my locality, but I shall keep my eyes peeled for European rice, thanks for the suggestion. Pasta in the UK is mostly made from Italian durum wheat, anyway.
And I shall eat more potatoes!

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By: Anna http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26719 Anna Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:53 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26719 One of the things my beloved and I have decided is that, given our level of income and privilege, if we can't afford a foodstuff that's organic, we can't afford it at all. It's not like we'll starve . . . it just means giving up other things (or eating something other than what we planned), but it also means that the 17 000 square km dead zone in the ocean off the outflow of the Mississippi won't get any bigger on our account. And if the oceans die, then we all die. That said, for the moment at least, we're acutely aware that not everyone is in an economic position to make these kinds of self-imposed ultimatums (ultimati?)--which means it's even more important that those of us who *can*, *do*. From those to whom much is given, much is expected . . . One of the things my beloved and I have decided is that, given our level of income and privilege, if we can’t afford a foodstuff that’s organic, we can’t afford it at all.

It’s not like we’ll starve . . . it just means giving up other things (or eating something other than what we planned), but it also means that the 17 000 square km dead zone in the ocean off the outflow of the Mississippi won’t get any bigger on our account. And if the oceans die, then we all die.

That said, for the moment at least, we’re acutely aware that not everyone is in an economic position to make these kinds of self-imposed ultimatums (ultimati?)–which means it’s even more important that those of us who *can*, *do*. From those to whom much is given, much is expected . . .

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By: Sharon http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26718 Sharon Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:43 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26718 Yes, I should have said "industrial animal products" and included milk and eggs. And yes, eating ethical meat will usually involve either ruminants or different poultry - if we care about the roast bird, we'd probably be best off with geese, which can live wholly on pasture. And given the waste in our system, raising poultry on scraps has a lot of promise. But yes, generally speaking, we're talking about a shift to ruminants, as you point out. Sharon Yes, I should have said “industrial animal products” and included milk and eggs.

And yes, eating ethical meat will usually involve either ruminants or different poultry – if we care about the roast bird, we’d probably be best off with geese, which can live wholly on pasture. And given the waste in our system, raising poultry on scraps has a lot of promise. But yes, generally speaking, we’re talking about a shift to ruminants, as you point out.

Sharon

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By: Throwback at Trapper Creek http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26716 Throwback at Trapper Creek Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:43:04 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26716 I think people need to understand that eating grass fed meat will mean eating true ruminants that can thrive on only grass and forbs, and not the more PC poultry that we have become accustomed to. Good rules to live by. Thanks for the link. I think people need to understand that eating grass fed meat will mean eating true ruminants that can thrive on only grass and forbs, and not the more PC poultry that we have become accustomed to.

Good rules to live by. Thanks for the link.

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By: Anonymous http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26703 Anonymous Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:40:00 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26703 Clare, Why not rice from Camargue, France, or Italy? Pasta from Italy? Clare,

Why not rice from Camargue, France, or Italy? Pasta from Italy?

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By: Kate http://sharonastyk.com/2009/11/11/vandana-shiva-on-how-we-the-rich-world-can-stop-hurting-the-poor-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26701 Kate Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:12:28 +0000 http://sharonastyk.com/?p=1458#comment-26701 Sharon--does "industrial meat" include industrial dairy and eggs? If not, why not? Thanks for any insight! Sharon–does “industrial meat” include industrial dairy and eggs? If not, why not? Thanks for any insight!

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